Begleitpanzer 57 to 10.3 like the 2s38

2s38 up to 11.3 more like a hstvl XD

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With that being said,
you can’t assume a vehicle is necessarily good enough to be uptiered to outside one’s BR range.
People may have other reasons for bringing vehicles to those BRs.
For example, pure premium players (that bought the T-80UE-1) may have also bought the 2S38 as well.
For example, M22 is used for trolling / getting God Mode award.

HSTVL is way better than 2S38.
It has very trolly armor, small silhouette and good gun depression. And can now even be used against helis.

The Begleitpanzer’s shell has rather powerful drop off compared to the 2S38 which also sports IRST tracking, something the Begleit lacks.

A better question is why doesn’t the 2S38 move to 11.3 where the Otomatic sits?

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Sure, when HSTVL’s engine gets nerfed to 465 horsepower, and its round is nerfed by 50mm of penetration as well as nerfed in mass by 1.3kg.

And when its firerate is buffed to 120rpm

I mean, probably.
The primary reasons HSTVL is 11.7 is cause of its round and engine.
Absolutely wild, fastest tank in the game with the 2nd best auto-cannon round [OTOMATIC has the best round].

Both BG 57 and HSTLV has only Gen1 TVD, that is serious drawback, since you can’t kill what you can’t see, no matter the firepower you have.

You mean it doesn’t have a ready rack, magically since some update it’s all ready to go.

Because there is no russian bias. They keep doing this, playing heavily into their major market being russia itself, we saw the same shit with the Ka-50 being undertiered for a significant portion of it’s existance in WT. They might change it once they’ve sold enough, we’ll never know.

I would rather see OTOMATIC going down to 10.3 than 2S38 going to 11.3.

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After the decompression I can see both the Begleitpanzer and 2S38 both being fine at 10.7

Ka-50 was brought to its current BR over 3 years ago.
Ka-50 has not been under-BR’d in years.

On top of that 2S38 isn’t under-BR’d anymore.

@Vamilad
OTOMATIC isn’t 11.3 because of its SPAA capability, which is superior to 2S38’s SPAA capability.

So you want Italian bias and an unbalanced game.

Is your argument the OTOMATIC is 11.3 because of its 13 rounds of APFSDS? lol

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That’s not my argument, that’s just reality.
If it wasn’t that way the OTOMATIC would be ~10.3 instead.

I think the Bagel could go to 9.7 after this latest round of decompression, I had quite a bit of fun in it and it is very good.

The reality is one vehicle has its APFSDS limited while the other doesn’t.

One vehicle has a slow reload to first stage ammo, the other doesn’t.

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No, I want OTOMATIC to be an effective SPAA. I wouldn’t mind it losing darts if that’s what it takes to drop down to 10.3.
It’s an SPAA at the end of the day, not a TD so that tradeoff is worth it in my eyes.

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2S38 is designed as SPAA, according to the devblog. So why should the 2S38 keep its APHE and APFSDS over the Otomatic? Either all of the SPAAs get the AP round removed nor none.

In the current battle rating situation the 2S38 is way underrated. If the 2S38 keeps the Br10.3 a lot of other tanks need to moved down, because a PUMA (no spike) is not on the same level as a 2S38 for example.
But this russian bias is and will be part of the game.

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2S38 is a light vehicle in the game.

I’m also not a fan of SPAAs cosplaying as TDs.

There’s no bias.