Expansion is a thing ; but im pessimistic about both that and the current state of our vehicles
Like bro i keep trying to spotlight the Sniper ATP & Radar HMD/ACM issue as it is something somewhat dear to me ; but there is not even any sort of official statment ; like a “yes” or “no”
Why doesn’t the Belgian Leopard 1 use Belgian ammunition?
From what i’ve seen ; i heard speculations that it was for balancing only to have a “fair” but solid 9.3 french Lineup.
Which imo is realy dumb ; it makes the 1A5BE pointless
If this is really how they want to do it, it should be transitory.
Leave it as is until AMX-30c2 gets added, then (say 3-6 months later) add the ammo, and preferably the Mexas turret as well, and adjust it to 10.0 or so
That is actually a nice counterpoint ; i just hope with time we will see more original content rather than once a year “stop gaps” being just pure copypaste
Just a small update: @panzerknoef has submitted a bug report regarding the Leopard 1A5BE’s combat weight.
The in-game vehicle currently weighs 42.5 t, identical to the German Leopard 1A5. However, the Belgian Leopard 1A5BE did not receive the Blohm & Voss turret armour package fitted to German Leopard 1A5s. This package was only trialed on a couple prototypes ( Leopard 1A5BE Prototype (1988)) While the visual model correctly omits this armour, the weight was apparently copied over from the Krauss-Maffei Leopard 1A5.
Based on the available sources, the Belgian vehicle should weigh approximately 41.8 t, around 660 kg lighter than the current implementation.
Bug report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/PVCqTgC30D2N
According to Rolf Hilmes (who is seemingly the only one to explicitly mention it), the turret addon-armour weighs 660kg
watches it being forgotten for at least a couple of years
Thanks for the source, I’ve added it to my bug report and correct the weight difference to 660kg!
I miss the fact that the Belgian Leopard 1 doesn’t use Belgian ammunition. The same thing happens to me with the Spanish Centauro, which doesn’t use Spanish ammunition.
You miss that fact? When over half the text of the original post here mentions explicitly this and repeats it three times?
But I agree that it’s sad. More unique munitions would make the game even more interesting.
I know it’s repeated quite often, but it’s always good to keep repeating it, since it’s the biggest problem with this tank (and some tanks from other countries). Serious problems need to be constantly reminded, because otherwise people eventually forget, and that’s what the developers want.
This will have no lineup if the new br changes go through, so much for filling a gap
If it has no lineup, wouldn’t it fill a gap in that case? Either way, it’s lacking many of its rounds, which would make it closer to 10.0 in BR.
I’ve made a post asking for the missing ammo on the BR changes thread. Go support it:
Worked with the UK tanks (even if the punishment is them all being killed off) for their APHE last time.
Looks like the M1050 report is no longer marked as ‘Not Enough Information’ so it may be added to passed to devs
For me it’s still labeled as not enough info. I’ll be visiting the Royal Museum for the armed forces in Brussels in September for more information, notably primary sources.
I hope it goes well, the battle rating changing instead of introducing beneficial APFSDS is just frustrating with lineups
It’s especially frustrating as the “justification” for adding another Leopard to the French tree was that 9.3 apparently needed more variety, so now the Dev team is saying the Leopard 1a5 isn’t 9.3 material complete eliminates the reasoning for the vehicle to begin with
I don’t recall that that was ever said by Gaijin or their employees? Not that it matters, you can still bring it in your line-up and it will cost less SP if you do so at 9.3 (if they don’t change the BR move 9.3->9.0).
The reasoning is having a Belgian MBT. When fully implemented, quite the unique variant of a Leopard 1 as well.
