magach 6m at the same br as m60a3 tts
literally a straight downgrade in every way
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Phantom FGR2
br 12.0, faces 12.7-13.0 all the time with 9.7 AIM-9G, pulse doppler & trash rwr, both insanely affected by ground clutter
theres literally no reason to have this outside 10.7, which coincidentally is its br in ground
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MiG-17AS shares the same BR as the F3H while having the exact same FM and engine as the TT MiG-17 that sits .3 below it; in a full uptier it can face mirages, phantoms and draakens
The Ki-67 is arguably the best medium bomber in the game. It’s capable of defending itself, fast, and maneuverable. Its bomb load is the only drawback.
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Taking so much willpower from me to not make this a BMPT thread. Probably the P-39-N-O at 2.7, simply outclasses everything
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I was about to write about MiG 17AS and Shenyang F-5. Essentially MiG 17 and MiG 17F in the same Br and both of them with R3s.
MiG 17AS has R3s , MiG 17 doesn’t have R3s … that’s why the 0,3 difference.
@iegaatdao
Also defensive armament on bombers barely counts because the skill required to use them effectively even on the most heavily armed bombers is significantly higher than what it takes to use the nose-mounted weaponry on any fighter aircraft.
@Grzegames
Yes the flight performance is very enjoyable compared to most other bombers in the game. I’m not mocking the Ki-67, I’m simply wondering how it is possible for it to be completely surpassed even as a bomber by a high-performance strike aircraft at the exact same BR.
@Terminated_800
I don’t think that is necessary anymore since everyone, Gaijin included, is painfully aware how broken that vehicle is.
U.S P-51C10 is 4.0 and rank II.
Chinese and japanese are 4.0 and rank III.
La-5Fn is 4.0 and rank III.
Bf 109 F-4 is 4.0 and rank III.
Ki-100 and J2M2 are 3.7 and rank III.
I-185 (M-82) is 3.7 and rank III.
C202EC is 3.0 and rank III.
Why is the U.S P-51C10 rank II?!
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Since rank doesn’t affect gameplay (apart from battle pass tasks) that is probably for progression/research reasons. Or simply an oversight.
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You are both right and wrong at the same time.
Aim-9Gs are actually perfectly reasonable, as all the Phantoms at this BR have the same (rear-aspect Aim-9), sure they are a little lack luster but that is a compression issue.
I personally dont like the radar but again, its perfectly reasonable for the BR, same for the RWR (also on that note RWRs are not affected by Ground clutter and that is precisely what the PD mode is for on the radar)
But the Phantom FGR2, FG1 and F4J(UK) all do ahve a major balance issue, that is the Skyflash DFs, these are largely an equivalent to the Aim-7E-2 found on the F-4E and not an equivalent to the Aim-7F found on the Phantoms at the same BR and leaves the British Phantoms way more under-gunned than the 9Gs do. These could be replaced by Skyflash SuperTEMPs (reported and accepted, but not implemented) but they wont for some reason
As for its BR. no. in its current state it wouldnt be any lower than 11.7 for various reasons, just compare to something like the Hawk 200 RDA
Not saying its right but theres a video on youtube- how to get less uptiers or something similar (Poss just click bait)
Video claims Using a BR 3.7 in rank 2 and a 3.7 in rank 3 = uptiers every game.
German and Italian F-84F are rank VI and get no airspawn.
The US F-84F is at rank V and gets an airspawn.
They are all identical and share the same BR.
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I’d bring the F-5 family, where we have (in Sim):
- at 10.7: F-5A/C’s with no radar and rear-aspect IR-AAM’s
- at 11.0: F-5A (G) with no radar and all-aspect IR-AAM’s
- at 11.3: F-5E’s with bad radar with no IFF and rear-aspect IR-AAM’s
- at 11.3: F-5E with PD radar (…it never had IRL) with IFF and rear-aspect IR-AAM’s (…that were IRL replaced by all-aspect missiles in that variant)
- at 11.7: F-5E with with bad radar with no IFF and all-aspect IR-AAM’s and good HUD plus HMD
- at 11.7: F-5E with with bad radar with no IFF and twice the number of all-aspect IR-AAM’s and good HUD but no HMD
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IT/JP/DK M24 are rank 3, but US is rank 2
SWE T34 and Pz4 are rank 3, but they’re rank 2 in their original trees
F-84F could be added to that as well. Rank 6 in France & Germany, so no airspawn, but for the US its rank V, so gets airspawn
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One could also mention later SPAA in general.
E.g. the British with their abysmally poor Stormer HVM at 10.3, and the Rapier at 9.7 which is vastly superior.
Or - another classic in such discussions - the Italian OTOMATIC at 11.3: Very powerful and fun, but outclassed in range by everything down to everything 1-1.5 BR’s lower…
I just checked again:
It is rank VI for Germany, Italy, France (TT & prem), Israel
So it is in the game for five nations and only one gets it with an airspawn, despite them all getting the same match making.
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GB phantoms.
GB jaguars
GB tornados (not F3)
Javalin
Meteors
Hunter
Swift
Might be easier to list what isnt over BR’d
Gaijin really did us dirty
Need to be lowered by 0.3 at lesst.
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I forget about the other 2 nations having it as well
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Having used both, I think it depends on the threat/context rather than one being superior than the other. Rapier I have terrible time with the target not dying with the first or even second missile and I waste stupid amounts of time hitting the same target over and over again
Stormer HVM is way harder to use, but generally the target does die in the first hit. it is Especially superior vs Helis