Realistically, the Pantsir-S1 should be 12.3, it’s effectiveness whilst alone is actually rather low.
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People like you are exactly the reason why Gaijin balances based on efficiency stats instead of raw vehicle stats.
You can’t just cherry pick singular stats like “armoured hull” for an SPAA that’s not supposed to be seen by enemy tanks in the first place (and only protects against 7.62s to begin with, with the turret still being a weakspot against 7.62s with an exposed gunner) or caliber without any comparison of the actual ammunition.
Did you forget that the TPK has:
- better fire rate (996rpm vs 800rpm)
- more than double the belt size (120 vs 50 per gun)
- better shell velocity (1100/1054 m/s vs 980/970 m/s)
- HVAP with better pen and ricochet angles than the BTR-ZD’s API-T (57mm pen vs 51mm pen, 0% ricochet at 66° vs 47°)
- better top speed (90km/h vs 60km/h)
- much better reverse speed (-14km/h vs -7km/h)
I could even state some more negatives for the TPK too, like having a worse hp/t ratio or being wheeled vs tracked, but you didn’t even put the effort in for those.
If you just pick three paper stats to compare vehicles and ask why they’re at the BR’s they are at, you are a massive fool.
While smaller player numbers and more experienced players for minor nations are a problem, in general their system is pretty effective because when you put vehicles into the actual game, their efficiency is based on what actually are important stats in practice and not what players or anyone feels is important on a certain vehicle.
The best example is the community crying that additions like the QN506 would be overpowered before they’re even added in the game because of their stats on paper, and then in practice it’s kind of a bad, niche vehicle.
I remeber seeing tons of people on Reddit claiming that that one low tier Swedish 20mm AA tank was going to be the next R3, and very OP.
A lot of spaa need decompression tbf, compared to the planes they face it’s pretty dumb sometimes in terms of era
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So just add the f15c which they are probably planning on doing soon anyways?
Then give M4K HMD too ,… as it’s 12.7 already,…
See how you’re argument makes no sense?
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I am not against that
Can we give the Gripen usable BVRs like Aim-7M as well then?
But that’s technically impossible, as much as F-15A never recieved such system on-board,…
Or maybe i doesn’t know something about it,…
Are you stupid not to see that Gaijin only add systems that were onto aircrafts already IRL?
But anyway HMD is no requirement to be 12.7 and F-15A should be 12.7 as much as everything else that have been added on last update.
Also the sole reason for M4K to be 12.7 is the 8x Magic-II loadout,… → even the M2K-5F which have HMD is not 12.7, because of the low amount of loadout.
But that’s something F-15A can’t claim, since gaijin rated Magic-2 to be the most inferior missile in the latest video they shared to us, and AIM-9M as the 2nd best missile[shooting range #394 video],… not to forgot that AIM-7 are much more usable than S.530D
(God i hope for fixes on Magic-2: “poor man IRST”-aka more detection range / 50G maneuvrability in high energy states / IRCCM is subpar to the bugreport they used)
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I am actually slightly convinced that Gaijin is operating under the premise that Europe cant build anything good and therefore cant be good in-game. (even though European vehicles are usually some of the best in the world, and usually outfitted with the best armament in the world)
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Sadly,…
(But then why would USA keep buying on the small defense industries in europe? If it’s not to reach our technology,…)
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Indirect evidences that the F-15 was equipped with VTAS during AIMVAL/ACEVAL trials.
SAAF doesn’t use AIM-9M, but gripen has it because it technically able to use it.
Germany used german modified AIM-9B on F-4F and 9L, not 9J.
Also Germany didn’t recieved 27ER but german mig-29 has them.
So if it technically possible to mount 7M on gripen and gaijin will have wish to buff it, they can add it for balance purposes.
I know about those → only F-14 was Tested with VTAS F-15 never seen it on-board.
It only was proposed to be implemented, but as USN rejected it, the USAF didn’t even bother.
PS- YAK-141 aint an all purpose answer.
That would be because they actually used IRIS-T.
Something tells me those would be a tad OP.
Funny how they say “we do not ignore feedback” and still the 2S38 is awfully overpowered and at to low of a BR
Same with Pantsir beeing better than any other AA
FlaRakRad can’t even drive up small inclines and if there is an enemy ground target anywhere within 1km you can just “J” out because you can’t defend yourself
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I’m just waiting for the community to realize that the Object 292 won’t be an unkillable uber god at 10.0 just because it has ridiculous pen.
I like your thinking, but maybe they should buff the flight model of the Mig 29A instead. I shouldn’t be bleeding literally all of my speed just trying to do very small, gradual turns. To be frank, I’d rather use a mig 23 instead. It’s just that bad. (This is coming from a guy who absolutely loves the Mig 21 and J8B/F too. It’s not like I’m not used to this playstyle) Please please please just decrease the drag on it a bit instead of making it a paper tiger like it feels like right now outside of the R27ERs
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Really strong =/= unkillable uber god
Like, i can still remember the uproar back when 2A6 was added.
This is gonna be similiar situation.
Do a quick protection analysis of DM53 (or the actual round itself if it’s in the protection analysis options now) against the front of a 2A4. And then test the front of the Object 292 with DM33 in protection analysis. It doesn’t take a scientist to figure out that it’ll be incredibly powerful in a game that’s all about whoever disables the other first. A 10 second reload doesn’t matter when you can go through their turret face like butter and leave them with a 30 second repair time before they even get a precise shot on a weakspot
The AMX 50 they’re talking about is a premium dude. I have it and they’re definitely lackluster being shoved into 9.0 matches with people so heavily armored that all you can do is cry if they push you since you only have a little over 200mm of pen. But a french tank that can actually 1 shot people consistently is TOO STRONG. Giving french players aphe is apparently the equivalent of giving them the infinity gauntlet
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