its called USA need to seal club
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Your words are meaningless. Of course, a 12.3 aircraft will outperform an 11.3. I don’t feel sorry for the MiG-21MF/SMT, F104G (china)/Japan and F8E because they have to face the MiG-23ML/A/D. There’s no chance for a 10.3 to bring it down if the opposing player knows what they’re doing.
Many people try to be kind when pretending to say how bad 11.3 will be if they have to face F15s, but they are happy when 11.3 can dominate 10.3 aircraft, some of which don’t even have flares.
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Gaijin asking for feedback from players it will never take seriously into consideration = irony
So we need more decompression?
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This can be simply addressed by adding more Battle Ratings like 12.4/12.5, but it will also make the BR arrangement more complicated.
And another person talking about the F-15 while don’t having the plane and doing tedtalks about it.
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Moving on
And there is also no way that the MiG-21S deserves to face G.91s, A-4s, Scimitars, Venoms or Mysteres, like many other vehicles that are capable to assert dominance on entire lobbies, it happened before and it will keep happening as the BR system is arguably the only that could make the game work properly without creating worse and obnoxious black holes in terms of balance.
It’s not according to me, the snail had stats to back it up, the plane underperformed for the US/JAP/ISR compared to Su-27s, Gripens and M4Ks.
I want to end this reply telling you that if you don’t know how to use HMD as a really important QoL upgrade to top tier planes (i can tell you’re not getting the most of it because of the neutral stats you have on your Gripen) then it’s not really our problem.
That’s what my first statement about being late was for, but bug reports for something that’s a suggestion is odd. They list weaponry changes in the BR notes and the weaponry changes are related to requested BR changes… That’s like someone saying “fix the _” and their version of “fixing” it is just flat buffing everything about it.
It is absolutely not competitive with virtually anything going to 12.7 (besides the Su-27/J-11).
What does this mean? It’s fast, it has good AoA? All of the planes going to 12.7 are fast and all have good AoA, the problem is that most of the planes don’t even need good AoA because they have HMD and the F-15 doesn’t.
They will already see both IRCCM, good airframes, and good SARH’s with 12.0 and 12.3 with the Yak-141 (SARH + IRCCM), MiG-29 (SARH + airframe), (German) MiG-29 (SARH + airframe), F-16A/ADF/AJ/A MLU (SARH + airframe), F-14A (SARH/ARH), F-14B (SARH/ARH), AV-8B Plus (IRCCM).
That’s assuming flaring a R-73 is even possible at dogfighting range, which most of the time isn’t going to happen.
Not any more than anything else that can get downtiered to even 11.0.
Since when does that actually work? I’ve heard people recommend anything with automatic flare dispensers to turn that off immediately as it just wastes them.
That’s the same with literally any radar missile, yet somehow radar missiles still hit people. It obviously doesn’t stop anything.
Within a furball maybe, but for BVR it is much better than any IR missile save the R-27ET.
People are saying it’s OP because of its furball/dogfighting performance but ok lol, you can still be OP in one category and not the other.
The plane underperforms because US teams are dogshit, and japan+isr teams get fucked over because they get stuck with the F4S bomberbots by virtue of MM, which shows up in it’s stats because it’s only been out for a few months and has had US bomberbot sales teams the entire time. It’s not a plane issue. If we were going to balance planes off that everything in the US tree would end up getting shunted to 11.7.
M4K does perfectly fine without HMD and overall worse missiles than the F15, so it’s certainly not the end of the world to lack one.
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"Yeah, no one here has provided a legitimate reason to move the current F15s to 12.7. Battle Ratings exist to reflect the effectiveness of aircraft within gameplay, and the F15 is placed there because it lacks competitiveness. As for the Mirage 4k, if they are not effective enough compared to equivalent 12.7 aircraft, it will have its own discussion.
People are comparing them in a 1v1 scenario. If that’s the case, the F5C can defeat the F4J, but does that make them both 11.3? Of course not
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Manually preflaring/turning on automatic periodic flares so that it pops one flare every few seconds is different than MAWS, which automatically spamdumps half your flares as soon as it sees an unguided rocket go past.
4 9M’s (or the aam3), 4 7M’s on an airframe that outperforms everything at 11.3 by far, 240 flares, and a good radar+good gun with a fuckton of ammo sounds reason enough to me.
I don’t see any reason why it should stay at 12.3 besides US teams being so bad rn and this reflecting in the player stats they managed to undertier another vehicle in two separate trees as well, or lack of HMD which is more of a quality of life upgrade on something like an F15 and not something it actually needs to survive. The situation where it would have the most use is in a close in dogfight, and the aim9M physically can’t pull for the required shot in time if it’s very close in, but perhaps the aam3 could.
11.3 still does not need to be facing it, as it simply outperforms everything there to a ridiculous degree, nor should 11.0 be fighting F16A’s and mig29A’s even
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as i said, dose f104 japan at 10.3 have no flare need to meet 11.3? you and me know what the uptiers pain mean…
All I see on the F-15 is that American mains are malding that the F-15 isnt the bestest plane ever like it is IRL. It needs to be moved up to 12.7 at the end of the day
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That’s why we need decompression, and to get decompression we have to raise the BRs of the current top tier, the lower BRs follow suit
That’s how you fix the uptier problem, but compression can’t be fixed with people acting like a 0.3 BR step up on a plane that shouldn’t get downtiers anyways is unjustified
With the reasoning you mentioned, the F15s will still be at 12.3 due to your lack of objectivity
I’d honestly just be fine with giving all the F104’s flares at this point because they seem impossible to balance well otherwise. However, overall, I’d rather have one vehicle do a bit worse than have an entire br range get fucked over constantly by one vehicle. (And ffs gaijin give japan a subtree or some rank 6 plane with flares from an allied nation to make that particular grind a bit better
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The obvious solution is to give it some flares, facing the F-104 in a SAAB-105 is mildly terrifying
Well either it moves up or it loses the 9Ms
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If you play on the Asian server, it may take around 10 minutes to find a match with the current Battle Rating. It doesn’t address the issue effectively.