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Being purely second best doesn’t mean it’s unusable, but when ‘second best’ includes lacking 1.8M, lacking IOG, lacking DL, and lacking a whole 10G, then yeah it is useless.

That’s true for pretty much any radar missile, it’s not really an argument.

It’s just worse at literally everything compared to the jets going to 12.7, but ok. Doesn’t have the dogfighting performance or amount of dogfighting missiles of the Gripens, M4k, F-16C, MiG-29G, or Barak II nor does it have the BVR capabilities of the Su-27, J-11, MiG-29SMT, or MiG-29G. The only one I can understand going to 12.7 is the F-15J because of its 40G 9M’s.

The 530D was only made worse recently by an apparent stealth nerf to its long range maneuverability. The Skyflash is just an AIM-7E-2 with longer range due to the seeker, so comparing it to the AIM-7F isn’t favorable (saying the AIM-7E-2 isn’t as good as the AIM-7F isn’t really much of an argument) especially when the highest BR jet with them is 11.3. The Skyflash SuperTEMP is just a 10% faster, 25% more guidance time Skyflash (so again essentially just an AIM-7E-2) - not even mentioning that it is only on two Tornadoes that are each only 11.3.

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The ER is the best sarh but it’s still a sarh and therefore it is not the end-all be-all of the plane, especially not in the current game meta of low-alt fighting. The 7F still works perfectly fine at killing targets (bugs nonwithstanding) if you don’t try to headon joust an ER at high alt without taking any evasive actions whatsoever, which by now most people should’ve really learned not to do. It is far from being “useless”. Also the gripens have skyflashes, it’s simply that no one runs them because they are actually quite a useless missile (once the motor burns out at least).
It’s flight perf absolutely shits on the Mig29’s and su27’s, who’s only realistic chance in a prolonged dogfight is to try to get a hmd r73 and hope it doesnt get preflared, and can out-bvr the gripens, the m4k, and be on an equal footing or supassing bvr-wise the barak and f16c, not to mention it has better survivability than everything on that list except the gripens due to flare count.
I still dont see any reason why it should not be at 12.7 with the rest of them which yes, all outperform it in some ways, but it outperforms them all in others, in some cases significantly.

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All of these planes are going to 12.7 because of their dogfighting performance, in the comment you originally responded to I said “That doesn’t matter at top tier, you either have good dogfight performance or you have good BVR/long range capability - the F-15 doesn’t have any (in comparison to the jets moving up to 12.7),” which is still true. The F-15 does not have the dogfighting performance of any of the planes you mentioned, hence it shouldn’t move up because those planes were not worth moving up to 12.7 for their BVR.

That’s assuming that the R-73 can be flared at close range, which it really can’t. All the Su-27 or MiG-29 needs to do is launch one of their six possible IR missiles with their HMD and the F-15 can’t do anything to counter it besides spam flares and hope (even though the R-73’s 0.75 degree FOV wouldn’t be able to see any of them at close range). Again, the Su-27’s and MiG-29’s were going up mainly for their BVR (although the MiG-29G in terms of dogfighting as well) with the R-27ER. Even though the MiG-29’s only get two R-27ER, that’s still better than four AIM-7M’s.

Because it’s not on par with either the dogfighting-focused 12.7’s nor the BVR-focused 12.7’s.

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It still slams everything in a downtier at both, which is the main reason why planes are uptiered regardless. It absolutely should go up if everything else is. The F15 is still an extraordinarily competitive dogfighting airframe, with IRCCM missiles and some of the best sarh’s in the game. For ARB the F15 airframe is still very competitive for getting quick shots on people (which is how the majority of kills are gotten in ARB), with you only noticing this in 1v1 duels. 11.3 does not need to be seeing irccm missiles on an incredibly competitive airframe + good sarh’s, which is what this decompression is supposed to solve.
Ok, and if you flare the R73, or preflare it, you eat him alive afterwards because he has no flight performance to actually back up that launch. It’s the trade-off.
The F15 clearly has superior dogfight and longrange capability to everything at 11.3-ergo it should move up.
Keep your preflare on (which the F15 has the cms for), and he can’t realistically get a good launch unless he predicts it.

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Therefore, M60A3 TTS (CN) needs to be taken down to 8.7

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And 27ER is as easily defeated despite those technological differences because of radar warning.
Of course 27ER itself is drastically inferior to 9Ms and R-73s for air RB right now as well, but why listen to the people proving that Gripen is the best top jet in WT despite "only "using 9Ms.

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Being less than 1:1KD ratio with every of your aircrafts,…
When will you learn basics?

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#1 im not 1.1 kd with every plane, so keep on lying
#2 i dont give a flying F about K/D in this unbalanced game fighting off against people who literally Golden Eagle every plane that comes out while you are fighting them stock with either useless missile or IR Flres when they are locking on to you with Radar missiles fired at you from a HMD interface.
#3 i fly planes in ground RB Where im being shot at by pantsirs, flakrads and what ever else Proximity shell firing IFVs gaijin decides to add while you just spam air RB and you barely play ground.
#4 from your vehicles most well played it looks like you stopped playing ground RB 7 years ago

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the AIM 7M ARE BUGGED. 50% of the time they LITERALLY FLY OFF INTO NOTHING HIT THE GROUND OR JUST Miss, because the radar lock box doesn’t want to actually stay over the plane.

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The new 11.7 max BR rotation in Sim needs to be looked at, We had Italy, Germany and Japan and USSR vs US, Britain, France and Sweden.

Almost all of those nations had 11.7’s, while Italy has a Harrier option and Japan has the EJ Kai. The nation pairings should be balanced out a little better in for this bracket, we were getting stomped on by F-14’s and Tornado F’s

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If that is the case than how is the F-16C also 12.7? It’s in the same tree afterall?

And why is it that all 12.7 except for 1 have HMD?

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And yet he is still decent at the game, unlike you. You are trash.

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And we should the word of someone who is trash at the game over his word because?

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British RB Ground BR’s:

- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game, but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse. It has no redeeming qualities.

- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kind of it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.

- Churchill Mk I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz III M’s, M4A1’s, etc.

- AC I: 3.0 down to 2.7. It plays exactly like a faster Valentine Mk I, the armour is good but not amazing. Like the Churchill, the 2-Pdr really begins to struggle around this BR. The Churchill Mk I dropping to 3.0 should be the highest BR vehicle armed with a 2-Pdr.

- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up previously. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind. Far less rate-of-fire per gun and half the guns. Lacks HVAP to combat enemy tanks. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. Even saying that though, the Wirbelwind has a far better protected hull and has similar top speeds. The Crusader AA Mk II just has an easier time hitting that top speed. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.

- Churchill Mk III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It’s also the same gun that’s on the AEC Mk II at 3.0.

- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk III goes down then the NA75 should as well.

- Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).

- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).

- Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk II, I really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk II, and now the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3 for the Crusader AA Mk. II or a 1.7 BR difference for the Whirbelwind)? If you want a 5.3 Skink, then you should consider adding the welded version with the 4 20mm Hispanos.

- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, they’re very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots and lacks APHE.

Falcon: 8.3 down to 8.0. Just remove the APDS and/or adjust the belts. There’s now 3 British SPAA’s at 8.3 now, what’s the point? The Falcon has no radar and should be lower.

Chieftain Mk 3: 8.7 down to 8.3. The Chieftain Mk 5 has far better mobility and top speed, and sometime soon will get a LRF. This makes the Chieftain Mk 3 feel more like a heavy tank in comparison but only with decent armour when hull down.

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You can have a personal opinion you know, being an echo chamber of content creators as DEFYN or another good player is not necessarily a sign of getting good, so it is a problem if you put it that way.

Please do, and then tell us your stock grind experience compared to the Su-27 :)

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i will

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Thats the problem, the plane overperforms at downtiers when dogfights are somewhat frequent + 9ms advantage.

But then it completely falls apart at uptiers and gets relegated to be a support once it goes to 12.3+ sessions.

And another player which doesn’t have the F-15 telling the virtues of it because it saw them from a content creator/good player that endorsed his beliefs.

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This is so true, the ability to position your plane without nose-aiming and still being able to engage is something that i would trade for a very few other things in a plane.

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Oh my lord, you people are acting like HMD is some god-tier tool that automatically improves your planes combat performance by at least a thousand percent

Could you please enlighten me about how a raise to 12.7 would hurt the F-15? There is no way the F-15 deserves to face Phantoms, Floggers, Mirage F1Cs, the current Tornados etc.

It doesn’t matter that the F-15s would be the worst of the 12.7s according to you, they still should be at 12.7 to combat the BR compression

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F15 should be 12.7. If mirage 4k and mig29g went up, the f15s should have went up. It has a very strong fm, only really beat by the mirage 4k, gripen and f16. It has aim9m, a great radar and a high missile count. There are planes at 12.7 like 29g and mirage 4k which are worse in like 90% of catagories. Anyone who thinks it should be 12.3 has a serious case of skill issue. Unless you people think its seriously the equivalent of the mirage 2k 5f with its whopping half the missiles, worse missiles, worse fm, worse radar, and about half the cm. But wait, m2k5f has hmd so it should be 12.7 and is under brd.

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