They exist?
They have same status as Heavy mains from TF2
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Considering that all of the uptiered French vehicles under discussion have very little armour, this feels irrelevant, but okay.
M900 and its equivalents are enough, we don’t need to bring 3BM60 into 10.0. Thanks to the Stryker, I couldn’t complain about 3BM46, as that would indeed be hypocritical. 3BM60, however, is on another level.
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PLEASE give t20 smoke shells!
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3BM60 and KE-W are direct equivalents, and both are seen at 10.0 now.
I am utterly unsurprised of course, gaijin hating france isn’t new, gaijin hating ground isn’t new.
I only bothered to go check the full list of nonsensical BR changes this time around because when logging in into the game I immediately noticed several of my lineups got destroyed.
The Strela got uptiered massively. I was expecting that. The Strela is very good, much better than all the missile SPAAs the other nations got at the same OR higher BRs. Of course, the problem was never that the Strela was too low, it was always that other IR missiles SPAAs were too high.
At 8.7+, CAS is extremely capable. Capable SPAAs are required for counterplay. That is an extremely basic concept. Looking at these SPAA changes makes me wonder what kind of twisted vision do you have for ground battles. The Japanese top truck SPAA? From 10.0 to 11.0? that thing doesn’t have radar missiles, only IR. What are you doing. Now Japan is also stuck with the ungodly terrible Type 93 as its only missile SPAA until 11.0. Why.
Again, I am very much not surprised. Those are the latest nonsense BR changes in a very long series of nonsense BR changes. But after so many years, really, you can just say out loud that your goal is to make the game as devoid of fun as possible, you don’t need to keep the mask on when you’re this blatant about it.
please for the love of god look at the SPG’s in the 6.0 br range and put them up in br. these vehicles are SUPER annoying to fight especially when you use APHE rounds that dont fuse on their armour.
The only vehicle with KE-W that the US gets is the M60 AMBT, which is an MBT that is an event vehicle with worse maneuverability and fire rate (with the M60 AMBT only getting better than the 2S25M if you Ace the crew). The protection of the M60 AMBT is better, but it can still be easily be penned by all rounds at that BR.
If we’re going to actually look at light tanks, then the only one comparable is the M1128, which is stuck being a wheeled vehicle with a worse reload (even when Aced) and a worse round than 3BM46. Additionally, the M1128 does not get access to ATGMs and gets less than half the ammo storage than the 2S25M.
So all in all, there was no reason for the 2S25M to get a better APFSDS round.
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yeah its a 105 its gonna be worse
And? Why does caliber matter when we’re talking about BR balancing pen performance?
Their the same br the m1228 and 2S25M as they are both auto loaded light tanks with good rounds for 10.0
Ok, I’m done with french tanks, I’ll play with the Russian tanks, like everyone else does …
From the bottom of my heart, thank you Gaijin!
Thank you so much for destroying another French BR! I was so scared when I realized I could have a full 7.7 BR, but fortunately you moved up the char 25t to 8.0. I am so relieved now!
But you still have much to do : just have a look at 8.3 and 8.7. I think it’s not appropriate for the French TT to have so many vehicles in the same BR. Hope you can do something to fix this problem in the future.
When this will be done, I have a great idea (I always have great ideas, don’t hesitate to call me if you lack inspiration). I am sure it would be very effective to reduce ammunition of French vehicles (1 or 2 shells seem to be clearly enough). If some players are still interested in grinding French TT despite your best efforts, I suggest to keep turrets but suppress cannons. What do you think? Isn’t it a seductive idea?
Best regards
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It’s a little late, I know, but I’d like to make the suggestion of giving the MiG-29 9-13 and 9-12A R-73s and moving them up to 12.3, as well as the Yak-141. I would also like something similar to happen to the early F-16s. The F-14A could receive AIM-9Ls and be moved to 12.0, while the F-14B is moved to 12.3. As they are now, these aircraft still outperform anything even one step below them, especially the F-16s and MiG-29s. Fighting large numbers of F-16s while using something like a MiG-21bis, MiG-23M or F-4E is just not realistically winnable. Even aircraft like the JA37 struggle due to the extreme maneuverability of these aircraft, essentially removing the only real advantage the JA37 has over its opponent in uptiers. I would also like to see the removal of AIM-9Ms from the F-15A, and the F-15J moved to 12.7 due to AAM-3s and future modifications of the aircraft (which I believe to be the true reason behind some of these BR changes.) The Mirage 2000C-S5 and S4 should also be moved to 12.0, with the 2000D-R1 moved to 11.7.
I believe that this decompression to 12.7 can be used for even more good that it already has. Please consider in future updates. I just want to see these borderline unfair aircraft out of brackets they completely dominate in without real competition apart from themselves.
List of desired BR changes (Realistic Battles):
F-14A: 12.0
F-14B: 12.3
MiG-29A (USSR+GER): 12.3
Yak-141: 12.3
Mirage 2000C-S(4/5): 12.0
Mirage 2000D-R1: 11.7
F-16A(All): 12.3
F-15J: 12.7
List of desired other changes:
F-15A AIM-9M: Removed
F-14A AIM-9L: Added
MiG-29A (All): R-73 added, R-27ER/ER1 removed*
Yak-141: R-73 added
*What I believe could be a viable solution to the imbalance between F-16 and MiG-29 caused by same BR but MiG being buffed. Would also create more historical loadout options for the early 29s in particular.
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Perfect
Because its not a premium. However no harm in trying to get its BR lower.
Please could I ask Gaijins reasoning for uptiering many of the A6M Zeros, including the A6M5 ko this patch?
Every BR change that includes them has many, many players submitting feedback very heavily against it, yet they never get reconsidered.
We dont have access to Gaijins internal statistics for these vehicles, but I know that based on at least my personal experience, the performance of especially the A6M5 series is just not enough for even 5.0, let alone the 5.3 BR they are being put at.
So I would really like to hear and understand what Gaijins reasoning for the changes.
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Yeah they were comparable with the M1128’s M900 (522mm at 10m) and the 2S25M’s 3BM46 (532mm at 10m). Why did the 2S25M need the 3BM60 (580mm at 10m)? Now the 2S25M gets a round literally 68mm of pen more than the next best round, why did they need it?
if the F-15A gets it’s 9M’s removed it better be going to 11.7 or 12.0 lol
We now have 8 planes that are 5.0 lol
5 Zeros and 3 Raidens
- A6M3 Mod.22 Ko
- A6m5
- A6M5 Hei
- A6M6c
- A7M1 (NK9H)
- J2M4 Kai
- J2M2
- J2M5
At this point, just make all the lower Br Ki’s and A6M2s 5.0 since they still win in dog fights :/