Battle Rating changes for January 2024 (post feedback)

[tpom]

Sagittario 2 STILL going to 9.3?
Please leave it where it is, its going to be outright useless at 9.3 facing 10.3 missile spam.

J29D still going to 8.3?
7.3 planes do NOT need to fight an afterburning plane with great top speed and retention that they stand no chance against.

J6K1 Still going to 6.7 is just sad. The plane will be outperformed by 90% of everything it faces.
Now it will also face 7.7 jets which it simply has NO way of fighting.
This is a perfect example of a plane with mid performance at its current BR being raised simply due to being carried by its guns.

F-5E being left at 10.7 is actually insane. This plane has been over-performing at 10.7 for ages now.
The good change that was to move it to 11.0 has now been removed and the plane stays over-performing.

And I cannot state this enough… F-15 staying at 12.3?
Please tell me this is a joke.
The F-15 being one of the most powerful top tier 4th Gen fighters in the game and you are leaving it at 12.3. Even the Mig-29 SMT and G are going to 12.7 and yet the F-15 which is objectively better than BOTH of those planes still sits at 12.3.
Please move ALL the F-15’s to 12.7 with the rest of the top tier planes and do not leave it at 12.3, this plane SHOULD be 12.7 along with the rest of the top tiers.

F104A (All of them) 9.3 to 9.7 or 10.0. Please get this supersonic plane out of 8.3 matches, it is so unfair to fight its actually not funny anymore. You cannot catch it in any plane around its BR and it out accelerates, out-climbs, out-runs and out-powers 99% of everything it faces.

Su-25 and Su25k please move from 10.0 to 10.3.
9.0 planes do not need to face all aspect 30G missiles that they cannot avoid.

A10A and A10A late, please move them both to 10.3 and 10.7 respectively.
Flareless 9.0 planes do not need to face these all aspect missile carriers.

[ÖL]

Thanks!

[BasherBenDawg8]

Please consider looking into the strela’s missile rather than buffing its br. The missile is far too overpowered and unrealistically effective given the small size of its FOV. Russia could use a missile spaa at that br, so nerfing the missile to realistic standards would make more sense and give the Strela more purpose for lower lineups.

[ID_Heaven]

@tpom

F104A (All of them) 9.3 to 9.7 or 10.0.

Better remove them from game, without flales they cannot find their place in balance

[CloudKill]

Gaijin pls how the otomatic still is at 11.3 for the love of god, it’s terrible at this BR, 2s38 is at 10.0!!!

[FlipAllTheTables]

@TyTheGuy27

T20 should stay at 6.0

Doesn’t have the firepower or armour for 6.0. It’s decidedly worse than the T25 but better than the M4A3 76, 6.0 is perfect.

It absolutely isn’t “decidedly worse” than the T25. It’s far more mobile and with the added stabilizer and faster reload I would much rather play the T20 at any BR compared to the T25.

@TyTheGuy27

Panzer IV Gs to 3.7
Panzer IV Hs to 4.3

The KwK 40 is a great gun, nearly on-par with the 76mm M1. The G has significantly better armour than the F2, though it’s still not great. The H is rather similar in armour, mobility, and firepower to the M4A1 (76) yet it’s 1.3 lower??? The J has a hand-cranked turret which makes it balanced at 3.7.

Both KwK 40 variants (L/43 and L/48) are worse in every way except reload, which is identical. The L/48 gets closer due to it’s longer barrel, but still fires a slower projectile, with less penetration, and with less damage.

The armor on Pz.IVs is poor, even on the Pz.IV H with add-on track armor because the majority of the turret is still just 50 + 15 mm effective. The mobility of the Pz.IV H is also not that great because it’s the heaviest Pz.IV. Overall the M4A1 (76) absolutely has better armor (due to turret, hull is similarly effective on both tanks), better mobility, and far better firepower as not only is the 76 mm better, even if only slightly, it also has a .50 cal and a stabilizer.

@TyTheGuy27

M36s up by .3

90mm M3 is an excellent gun, far better than the 76mm M1. With similar armour and mobility to the M4 76s, the M36 and M36B1 deserve at least the same BR. The M36B2 with HEAT-FS is even better, being a close counterpart to the M-51.

It’s a great gun but the M36B2 is more a sidegrade to the M36 than anything. It makes a massive sacrifice in mobility in order to have HEAT. Both could and probably should be 5.7.

@TyTheGuy27

All 17pndr/77mm equipped vehicles excluding Centurions, Archer up by .3
M4 FL-10 to 5.3
M4A4 SA50 to 5.3
ARL-44 to 5.7

17pndr has exceptional penetration, on par with KwK42 and 90mm M3. Yet Fireflies are currently 1.0 lower than M4A3 (76)??? Centurions 1 and 2 are balanced at their higher BRs, and Archer is such a glass cannon it doesn’t matter much. SA50 is even more powerful, being closer in penetration to the KwK43 than 76mm M1! The ARL-44 has excellent armour, good mobility, and a decently fast-firing gun that can comfortably UFP Panthers.

17 pounder has great penetration but nowhere near the same amount of damage since it is solid AP.
Since you compared the Fireflies to the M4A3 (76) you should also mention how they have poor gun depression (only -5°) and nowhere near the same amount of mobility, on top of slower reload (keep in mind they only have 5 ready rounds). Also I certainly hope you aren’t including the Comet in there with the 77 mm gun.

The M4A1 FL10 seems like a great vehicle, but the M4A4 SA50 has a much longer reload, 9.75 to 7.5 seconds depending on crew, and has much worse mobility, due to the 4 ton higher weight.

The ARL-44 only has good armor specifically on the upper glacis, everywhere else is mediocre at best, the mobility is also mediocre, and the reload is 10 to 13 seconds, which isn’t exactly “decent fast-firing”.

@TyTheGuy27

SU-100s to 6.3

Firepower is extremely similar to Jagdpanther. While armour is slightly lower, the better mobility (especially reverse rate) and lower profile makes up for it.

Firepower is undoubtedly worse. Similar penetration values, similar damage, but the SU-100 has a 40% longer reload than the Jagdpanther. A Jagdpanther with a completely stock loader will reload faster than an SU-100 with a completely maxed out loader (9.75 seconds compared to 10.52 seconds).

The armor also isn’t “slightly lower”. The SU-100 upper glacis gets penetrated by something like the US 90 mm with M82, and the lower glacis is unchanged from the T-34, still 45 mm at 60°, and while the Jagdpanther’s lower glacis isn’t anything phenomenal (currently 55 mm at 55°), it does have the transmission behind it.

[warrma]

Still missing Me 410 B-1/U4 and B-26C changes because 100% identical in game planes Me 410 A-1/U4 and B-26B are moving. Also normal Pe-3 change missing i think not sure why early would be higher br than normal one that has quite more ammo for 12.7. and A6M5 Ko moving up but A6M5 with bit less ammo isn’t moving. Copy paste issue for Mirage 2K and P-51 was fixed.

[JustCauseWhyNott]

Please give t20 smoke shells. I don’t know why they shouldn’t be added. I’d rather smoke shells than apcr.

[tpom]

That would be great but even better, just give them flares and put them to 10.0.
Even though they did not have flares IRL, just give them flares anyway.

The F-5C never had flares IRL but look what it has in game.

There is no reason for the F-104’s to stay at 9.3 in their current state. I would rather a couple of planes be completely unplayable rather than an entire BR bracket be ruined by them.

[DesMoines_Class]

Well，we kenw the poor win rate and bad combat efficiency of M1A2SEP，and we same konw the M1A2 SEP ’ s GPS uses the magnification of Daylight Sight at 3x-10x. But M1A2SEP has improved Thermal Imaging Sight，they TIS have optical magnification at 3x, 6x, and 13x along with digital enhancement at 25x and 50x. So maybe we can change the mirror magnification of M1A2SEP to 3x-13x to enhance its long-range combat capability.How do you think?

[Stona_WT]

@EddieVanHalo

Seems like you made a fine job of ignoring everybody.

Please learn the difference.
You =/= everybody.
Fact, that we did not implemented ALL suggested changes (often mutually exclusive) doesn’t mean we ignored feedback.

Just read the initial post with info of all the changes we have implemented.

[ID_Heaven]

@tpom

The F-5C never had flares IRL but look what it has in game.

P2W moment

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@ID_Heaven

Give F-15 variants HMD and move to 12.7 too.

F-15A (USAF), F-15A Baz (IAF/UDF) and F-15J (JASDF) from 80’s never equipped helmet mounted display

I guess might be F-15C Baz Meshupar (1999) with IR SRAAM AIM-9L/Python 3/Python 4 and MRAAM SARH AIM-7M & ARH AIM-120B, and equipped DASH III

There’s possibility that F-15C (USAF) (2006 ~ 2011) & F-15J MSIP (JASDF) (2009) would get a helmet mounted sight and Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS)

@WreckingAres283

Decompression in the range 10.7 - 11.7 is still necessary.
Why does F-5E stay at 10.7 ? It has dominated an entire BR bracket for far too long, I personally think that the F-5E makes said bracket barely enjoyable, US teams have around 70% winrate (last time I played).

I don’t understand why some Zeros still get a higher BR. Some of the BR changes are unnecessary or not understandable. Same with Type 81 (C), what does make it better than e.g. 2S6M1 ? Its missiles are useless against majority of top tier Helis beyong 3.5km range due to how effective HiRSS and IRCM are modelled.

Nice to see Strela at 10.0 and the few french Tanks stay at their current BR though.

USAF F-5E stay to 10.7 it’s balanced. But I might hope F-5E from ROCAF received AIM-9P-4 in first major update and decompress to 11.0 BR

[Fjord]

Why cancel the F-5E changes, Its the best jet in that br bracket by far and just stomps any other jet it runs into

[GNDM_Panzer]

My France prem line-up is still getting shafted.

Fine then, Gaijin. Have it your way. I just won’t even bother trying to grind it.

[A_Random_Rin]

All F15 should be moved to 12.7 as well, please no more br compresssion

[Chris4win]

Could we get at least one time per year a br change with community suggestion with multiple iterations? To make things easier limiting the suggestions per user to only 2 or 3 changes would be a great solution

[KrakenPleaseLOLP]

will you be adding stock aphe, stabilizer and heatfs to char 25t to make it on par with object 906?

[Cpt_Bel_V]

F-15A never had HMD does it?
Only F-15C and E were provided with HMD/S systems

from all i see, none were ever used on F-15A (even the VTAS used on F-4J/F-4S USN aircrafts, and thought for both F-15A/F-14,… but the 2 last got denied before VTAS even reached a cockpit)

[TyphoonCro]

Hi
Would it be possible to get a comment as to why isn’t 2S38 being moved up?
Sorry for bothering