Mostly I agree with everything you have said, but the main problem that the game is like this is because of the absurd damage model that the game has, it is something that should be radically modified making the APHE do more correct damage , spalling forward instead of creating a sphere of death, the damage cone being larger depending on the explosive charge inside the bullet, also the Full AP should have a much more consistent damage, with a slightly lower damage to the APHE (around 10% less) and depending on the damage on the energy and size of the bullet to do more or less damage, the tungsten carbide APCR and APDS should do damage equivalent to the APHE, varying the damage Due to the size of the bullet and energy after penetrating, the tungsten alloy APDS are the same as the previous ones but doing a little less spalling, the HEAT and HEAT-FS and missiles would have damage depending on the excess penetration after passing the armor. So if there is 100mm of penetration left over it would cause great damage inside the tank, if there is 50mm left over it would be low damage and if there is 200mm or more left over it would be enormous damage inside the tank, being a cone-shaped damage, the HE In principle they are fine, the HESH would need a little more damage, giving them that the fragments that come off will bounce a little inside the tank. All this would be the minimum necessary to be able to make a correct Br, and to all this I would add that when receiving a penetration the surviving crew members would have one or two seconds of shock (an ability could be added to shorten that time), and that the large caliber HE and HESH could generate that shock without penetrating.
Hm, is 2S25M is really 3BM60/59 capable? I heard the best shell it can use is 3BM46.
Why not just improve its gun handling (“at least” 3.5d/s means higher figures are possible, not your strange decision to limit to 3.5d/s as a max value)? Or add leaning like BMP-3/BMD-4 has?
So long as you’re fine with the idea of the earthquake BR changes that would follow, such as APHE vehicles dropping in BR and solid shot vehicles going up in BR…
I personally wish they would make other ammo more lethal rather than APHE being less lethal, purely for reasons of gameplay.
F-5E at 10.7? are you serious gaijin
American pilots dragging all F-15 statistics down. And like with the P51 with cannons they tried to increase the British one and because people complained, they increased both.
Turns out due to specific of its autoloader, yes.
Gun might be different (2A75-1), but you dont need to change the gun to fire it.
because most US tech tree players are dumb as fxxk.
So if you change everything you will have to change the Br of many tanks, especially separating the WW2 tanks from the post-war tanks. Within the WW2 tanks themselves there would not be many changes, the only thing that would change is which tanks They are at a certain Br and cannot compete against the APHE, now they could, so those Br drops that they usually do from time to time would no longer be done, and apart from that they could take away from certain tanks the bullets that they never they used, such as the APCBC in the IS-2 1044 or the APDS and HEAT-FS in the T-54 1949 and 1951.
Regarding the issue of not lowering the damage, what could be done and is realistic is that some fragments of armor and the bullet itself would ricochet inside the tank, which could kill or injure the crew members, but the damage from the APHE like this now is not correct, it is too unreal and fantasy for a game that wants to be minimally realistic.
A. How many MBT’s have 50 cal? , there are those who still only have 7.62 NATO;
B. Not only does it get the BEST Russin round @580mm flat pen, it also gets the Tandem HEAT ATGM;
C. Its current round was already powerful when facing 8.7-9.0 (AB, RB), now this slaps almost another 50mm to flat pen.
D. something like the TAM 2C sits at the same BR, with better reverse speed and 2 degrees more gun depression, but with 150mm less flat pen;
E. the CV90120 sits ar 11.3, with better reverse, better depression and faster reload, but with a whopping 20mm more flat pen;
The TAM is better in mobility, and depression, but severely lacks in killing power, how can it be the same BR, even with 3BM46, it had 100mm more pen. The 2S25 SPRUT is a more equal match, which for some reason lacks thermals while being a 2005 vehicle (according to WT Wiki).
The CV90120 is better in almost every metric, but does that warrant 5 (AB) or 4 (RB) BR steps higher?
With this round (3BM60) it will outgun every mbt below BR 11.0-3 or even 11.7 depending on the tree.
F-5E absolutely should go to 11.0, the entire plane is just an easy mode at 10.7 while planes like F-4EJ can’t justify their 11.0 (No ground options, no slats and no dogfight sparrows)
I think he used TAM 2 C because it sits at the exact same BR in both modes. please name another tracked light tank at that BR?
And a whopping 2 more degrees of depression, woot. i prefer Rooikat 105 with 10 degrees myself.
Blame Russian designers, they had same mobility in 2S25 but lowered it, a design choice!!!
And all other nations around its BR will suffer with these buffs, very few tanks can take a hit from these munitions.
I don’t see how the batchat is 8.0 worthy, especially comparing it to another notable light tank at 8.0 (The 906) how is this even close? Unstabilized, much more pen on APCBC, access to HEATFS to deal with what APCBC can’t, better power to weight, and faster forwards and in reverse. Even down to the internals, the Breach on the batchat is massive with the revolving drum-style autoloader shots to the hull that completely miss the turret crew can still cripple it. In exchange, the bat gets… more HE filler for a round with no hope of penning any 8.0-8.7 Russian mbt frontally (906 does NOT have this issue and butters everything with HEATFS if need be, saying it’s not supposed to fight frontally when it’s contemporaries easily can is a moot point) an extra degree of gun depression, better turret traverse, and 4 smoke grenades. We get that French 7.7 is way overtuned, but why nerf the bat and not the Lorraine if anything, it’s better overall minus scouting. Also not sure what the AMX TO90 with the same gun is supposed to do at 8.0 when it’s as fat as a house (Good luck!)
Should I tell you about the M60 AMBT that has been sitting at or below 10.0 for years now with a similar round?
Okay, i know in my other post i said the lack of APCR was another downside of the T20 getting downtiered. But that didnt mean me or the rest of the community think its a magic fix all for it getting uptiered.
There are APHE shells in 6.0 that can pen more than what the APCR can, without having to deal with terrible sloped performance and come with one shot capability. The M93 will literally be unable to pen any of its contemporaries.
For Gods sake just leave this tank at 6.0
Just wanna brag about something small some people may care a bit about.
And that is the Type 87 RCV sitting at 9.0 same as the Italien VBC (PT2).
The problem is that the VBC has LWS/LR, TVD and a two-plane gun tabilizer at a 9.0 br.
The type 87 RCV get’s nothing like this, And I belive that is kinda unfair when it comes to gameplay.
It would be nice if the br would go doen for the Type 87 RCV or to add the extra components that the VBC has.
Ty for reading my feedback.
It’s funny how they keep increasing french vehicle BRs regardless of the vehicle rather than taking proper balancing measures.
AML-90 isn’t a 7.7 material light vehicle, and batchat should not have to face MBTs like that. Hells, if the pattern continues, anything french past mid-tier is going to face T90Ms, Leo 2A6s and such if it depended on these “esteemed” devs. They just continue going up and up regardless of the situation.
It would be nice to have the option to move the expert crew training to a new crew slot when a vehicle BR changes. Many times moving a vehicle BR results in losing SL and crew experience because another vehicle in the new BR range already occupies the same slot.
Well, let’s talk a bit about the F-4 EJ and the F-4 EJ ADTW. comparing to the American F-4E (wich seats at same BR) we can see some disadvantages:
- there’s no agile eagle, what reduces drastically the dogfight capability.
- there’s no AIM-7E-2.
- there isn’t any kind of guided armament for CAS.
- even the dumb bombs variety is worse, there’s only 500lb and 750lb bombs.
Don’t you guys think this plane deserves a lower br? Even a 0.3 reduction could make a big difference 10.7 will avoid the 12.0 br braket where this plane really suffers.
But First, you should get that:
Good players =/= All players
So if vehicles of minor nations that not many players play, but only good players play because they know how to use that nation, it shouldn’t be a reason for you to just uptiers that vehicle.
You can’t justify the Saggitario II just going at the same br of the Ariete. It’s literally worse copy.
Those planes shouldn’t even be there, agains all the missile spams. But because these are in the end not bad vehicles plus the fact that only very skilled people play them, makes them get a higher efficiency than better vehicles played by more average players.
It would be needed to reconsider why some nations aren’t very new players friendly but got very high win-rates. And it shouldn’t be just a: “vehicle’s win-rate is good, so uptier it, or nerf it”, because in this way because in this way there will be less and less players interested in trying new minor nations thus the vehicles would just get nerfed because only played by good players.