Battle Pass Vehicles: Sholef V.1

[WalletWorrier]

T-34-85s are still in service and M4s were until 2018, so all modern vehicles are are fighting well within the service lives of their opponents :)

[LightningMoon33]

Good for you?

[Tactical_ra1nbow]

yep (1944- today). You can balance it agaist from PZ4F2 (1942-1945) to M1A2 SEPv2

[Zucc_Boi]

Like Gaijin even looks at bug reports. My bug reports are over 2 years old.

[LightningMoon33]

true dat heres one Community Bug Reporting System
@Smin1080p_WT bro please i know its irrelevant here but why was this acknowledged but not fixed 9 MONTHS AGO

[BasherBenDawg8]

@Stona_WT

5 rounds per minute.

The Sholef in real life was categorized as having the ~6.67 second reload.

@ofekk213

Loading mechanism - The Sholef V2’s cannon has a fully automatic autoloader with a reload rate of 9 rounds per minute (6.67 seconds reload rate), but it can be loaded manually should the need arise. Until gaijin models autoloader damage models in War Thunder, the Sholef V2 should have a static and uninterruptable reload speed of 6.67 seconds. IRL the Sholef V2’s autoloader also has a flick rammer, allowing it to quickly load a shell that is not in the autoloader.

(This is from the passed to devs suggestion of the Sholef V2, (which really only uses a different gun but same ammunition, breech, and loading mechanism.)

The Turret Armor and Hull Armor should be completely immune to auto cannon fire, and the turret should be immune to 155mm HE shells and overpressure from them.

@ofekk213

The Merkava Mk.1B’s hull is very spaced and offers high crew survivability if a round penetrates, even if it is not the most armored hull. The Sholef V2’s turret armor is rather interesting. Usually, self-propelled howitzers have paper-thin turret armor as they are not expected to be anywhere near direct combat. However, the Sholef V2’s turret armor is rated to be immune to heavy machine guns and 155mm artillery blast overpressure, and the roof of the turret is said to be immune to M42 submunitions which is an HEDP grenade with 30-33g of TNT/RDX. Considering the 30mm HEDP of the Apache’s chaingun has an RHAe penetration of 51mm, this means the roof of the Sholef has roughly 55-60mm of RHA, making it immune to some big caliber HE shells like the French 155mm OE 155 56 which has 54mm of radial penetration. This much armor might not matter against hightier APFSDS or HEATFS, but it is still unheard of self-propelled-howitzer-wise.

The Sholef should have Gunner thermals, potentially a commander sight, and a Laser Rangefinder

@ofekk213

Fire control system - The Sholef V2 was designed to have the capability to directly engage enemy units, which would not be possible without a gunner optic of course. There should be a commander optic as well (perhaps the commander periscope of the Mk.1B? Most images show the Sholef either stripped of the optics or are too blurry to figure). I have conflicting sources on whether the Sholef V2 uses the original Mk.1B’s gunner optic or if it received at some point the gunner optic of the BAZ FCS (FCS of the Merkava Mk.3B BAZ, incorrectly named Mk.3C ingame), but one thing is sure: the gunner optic has thermals. The gun also has a laser rangefinder, and in some rare images I found I also noticed that it got temporarily replaced by what looks like a radar rangefinder. I doubt Gaijin would model the latter one tho. I am unaware if the Sholef V2 retained the LWS of the Merkava Mk.1B, but I doubt that it did considering you can’t see any of the receivers on it.

Power to weight ratio:

@ofekk213

An excellent power-to-weight ratio of 26.67hp/t, slightly over the power-to-weight ratio famous M1A1 abrams.

62.7°/s DEGREES OF HORIZONTAL TURRET TRAVERSE, AND STABILIZATION!!!

@ofekk213

Two-plane stabilization and 62.7°/s turret traverse rate give a massive advantage in reaction times and when engaging enemies on the move, especially compared to other self-propelled howitzers.

Please for the love of everything, model this bit I pray

@ofekk213

Charges are stored in a blowout panel

Gaijin, if you model this tank to be historically accurate, and to include all the bells and whistles it’s supposed to have, such as its amazing reload, thermals, laser rangefinder, (possible LWS), INCREDIBLE TURRET TRAVERSE, decent armor, and stabilizer, then I will be buying the battle pass for the first time in my life.

I have always loved this SPH, and am more than happy to see it represented in game, however I will consider this addition soured for me if it comes in a massively and historically inaccurate fashion lacking a lot of things it’s supposed to have and at a lower BR than it honestly belongs at. Please review some things and add this correctly…

Some of the sources used in this topic by the author:
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/sholef.htm (yes yes I know, but others are a bit better lol)
Slammer
전차로 만든 자주포 155mm 숄레프 : 네이버 블로그
https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2019/armament/Schirding.pdf

In relation to the extremely fast turret traverse:
Jane’s Museum Ordnance 1996-03 (Vol.6 No.2)
I’d take this info from the book with a tiny sprinkle of salt, considering it is Jane’s and that it has a few inaccuracies (example: gun elevation range mentioned in the book is wrong).

@ofekk213

Recently I’ve found additional information about the Sholef: turns out it uses a specially-made turret bearing (turret ring). And, in addition to the turret traverse mechanism being a hydraulic mechanism powered directly by the engine (as I said in the suggestion already), the gun elevation is also powered by the same mechanism. This means that the gun elevation traverse should be fairly quick as well, unlike literally all other SPHs who use a manual hand-cranked gun traverse mechanism.

[Get_HeshED]

Let’s hope gajin will take it into consideration and provides us with something that isn’t a slightly remodeled M109.

But considering that for now we don’t even know whether it will be level 50 or 75 reward, they might release this halfmade version just to reduce it’s rank. With all the things you have mentioned, it definitely won’t fit into rank IV and might not even fit into rank V. And they won’t give you a rank VI premium in a Battle Pass for sure.

Since it would have a stab, thermals, laser rangefinder, quick horizontal drive, actual autoloader and very good armor for what it is, it would definitely end up higher than VIDAR, so probably somewhere around 8.3 - 8.7, which is already rank VI territory

[Just_Baron]

@Tactical_ra1nbow

Another vehicle without gameplay and no one asked for

I asked for it

[Just_Baron]

This is a tank game, not a history game. You can balance vehicles using the BR system, so stop whining.

[Exocetta]

Shame on you. :P

@Just_Baron

This is a tank game, not a history game. You can balance vehicles using the BR system

Ah no. Its an airplane history game that has tanks in it. When you “balance vehicels” without their historcal context, they might as well be grav tanks with lasers and particle cannons.

[BasherBenDawg8]

Wish we would get the M107A3 shell as well… just the standard M107 is criminal…

[Pecanin]

@Just_Baron

This is a tank game, not a history game. You can balance vehicles using the BR system, so stop whining.

That compliant thinking is exactly why game is where it is right now
Deep cold war radar SPAA shooting down WWII planes
Artillery from 2019 playing against WWII tanks
Russian tanks that are 5 x stronger than real life counterparts

Fun game isn’t it
Also reason why this game will always be shadow of what it could be.

[_CrusaderKnight]

Really cool new turret popper, it’s really nice seeing the Israeli ground tree getting a brand new domestic vehicle! It’s a shame I probably won’t be able to grind it out :(
Will this vehicle come in the form of a coupon or will it be immediately acquired upon unlocking it?

[Get_HeshED]

Just like any other BP vehicle, at level 50/75 you get untradeable coupon and then at level 105/125 you get an upgrade allowing you to sell it

[Pecanin]

and then you sell it for 0.83 gjn

[_CrusaderKnight]

Oh right, totally forgot about the coupon upgrades lol. Thx

[Just_Baron]

I mostly play Ground Battles, so that’s my bad.

But yeah, just balance it with Battle Ratings.

[BasherBenDawg8]

@Just_Baron

This is a tank game, not a history game

This isn’t just a tank game, nor is it a fighter plane game, nor a battleship game. It’s a game for all machinery of war that can possibly fit into the play styles and combat scenarios of this game. That’s why SPHs, bombers, and coastal boats are all allowed in this game.

[Exocetta]

@BasherBenDawg8

That’s why SPHs, bombers, and coastal boats are all allowed in this game.

And put in a blender…

[AgentZombie_6021]

here let me give you a better example.

Sweden’s entire bottom tier, is comprised of vehicles from late WW2 to early Cold War. Yet they’re fighting early WW2 vehicles… which doesn’t fit their era. Why? because they would lose against equal BR vehicles and cannot fight them on fair grounds.

Another example? The Type 74s were developed nearly 10 years after most of the MBTs theyre fighting against in war thunder. But they’re just not as good as other MBTs of their era, so they’re put where they are at for balance reasons.

Your argument is flawed and you reached limply for the T-62 like that proves anything. There’s times when vehicles from a certain service period are on par and thus can be the same battle range in war thunder.

However there is PLENTY of instances where vehicles can either drastically over or under perform relative to other vehicles of their time. That’s why Gaijin has things like the Wiesel 1A4 fighting early cold war vehicles, because if you put it against leopard 2s and Abrams tanks it’d literally be entirely unusable.