Response has so far been overwhelmingly negative, it’s incredibly hard to get a 57% No vote in a community that basically votes “yes, tech tree” on everything.
Seems that concerns are again being ignored at a senior level, and “the plan” is being pushed through regardless. I know you have previously said that subtrees do not impact the addition of domestic equipment, and with the greatest respect that is patently false and I feel that at this rate the addition of Israel low-tier ground is fading further into the sunset.
Sub tree nations are added to supplement a nation, not replace them.
The addition of any sub tree to Israel does not prevent anything Israeli from being added and has nothing to do with low tiers. Any sub tree would be reinforcing and helping provide variety that is not possible with domestic Israeli options.
If 5 vehicles are decided to be added to a faction with no subtree, it receives 5 domestic vehicles.
If 5 vehicles are decided to be added to a faction with one or more subtrees, it may receive anywhere between 5 and zero domestic vehicles depending upon the theme of the update or the decisions of the planning team.
Dev time is finite, modelling and art time is finite, updates are 5x annually plus seasonal events, running on a strict timetable. All of the above consume budget and time, and filling a new vehicle slot with a subtree vehicle does take the place of a potential domestic vehicle in most cases, aside from those where the faction has no domestic equivalent. The use of “copy/paste” is attractive because it reduces expenditure per new vehicle by allowing the reuse of existing models.
Anyway I’ve said enough on that and it’s fine to just disagree with each other.
Assuming the Greek subtree for Israel (again, bad idea mostly because it limits options for a future Turkish/Eastern Balkan TT) is intended to be implemented in 2026, is there any news on the parallel addition of Israeli Rank III or below? Israel was added to War Thunder in 2021 and CaID’s excellent suggestion Israeli early Ground forces (rank 1-2-3) was passed to devs four months ago.
Edit; tbh I forgot this wasn’t the Rumour Roundup thread.
Not the case. Sometimes domestic and sub tree may come side by side. Other times no vehicle at all in a given update as can and does happen.
Its a common misconception that when a sub tree vehicle is added in a given update, the idea is it came “instead of” a domestic vehicle that update. When the case is often no domestic vehicle was coming that major, which is why a sub tree one may have been chosen instead. Amoung other reasons.
Some nations with sub trees receive more than 5 and include domestics too. Again, this varies across multiple variables.
No news currently. Low ranks would typically not come for just ground either, as it needs aircraft to support that too. Any sub tree added to Israel however does not interfere with that. In fact only the opposite. As part of the main issue with Israel is its lack of low tier options to fill out the tree sufficiently, particularly aircraft.
The addition of any sub tree is targeted at addressing existing issues with the tree in its current ranks.
If in hindsight, this is a tease of the Greek subtree? Cool.
Any other outcome is just C+P, which is lame for a battlepass, when at least you could bring back anticipated vehicles instead of just another spitfire.
Fair enough, early aircraft is certainly a problem. I’ll refer to the passed suggestion Ranks I-III for the Israeli aviation tech tree (with a revision of rank IV) to point out that a limited early Israeli air tree is possible, though with significant gaps, and remain hopeful that any subtree added to Israel is in support of domestic additions rather than a replacement for them.
That would never work, especially the Project 903 in the main game, plus the devs haven’t made any ship the top prize & even if they did the GF players would moan to heavens higher than current.
Definitely cannot see that Panther ever getting added as a crate item nor the cooler H-34, nor the cruiser Myōkō as a shop item.
Such a BP would see large cost increase if it ever happened, although that maybe needed if the devs keep printing out terrible BP’s tbh.
Also, the Po-2 is a event reward for the Halloween race, it’s available in every Halloween event, so there would be no point in having it in the Previous Vehicles box
I am pretty sure Gaijin wouldn’t put market vehicles in that box either, so the H-34 wouldn’t appear in it either
They don’t do Rank IV vehicles in the Warbond shop either, so the IJN Myoko doesn’t fit either
To be fair, the Lun-class Ekranoplan is already available in the Mobile Version of War Thunder.
And there had been Market Vehicles in that Battle Trophy before once or twice. The Matilda Hedgehog I think was such a case? Not sure.
Regarding the Po-2, not everyone has the nerve for this Racing Event to get it. Very tedious over a long duration. I can see some players appreciate it being in a Battle Pass Trophy.
Regarding the Warbond Shop, I guess the Creator of this concept never really used it before and just picked some random vehicles.
What not a lot of people realize is that Greece will solve this issue. As you know, although Israel’s ground could support itself fine on its own were to get ranks I-III, the aircraft could not. However the implementation of a combined Greek/israeli Rank I-III for air would solve Israel’s lackluster Ranks I-III aircraft issue as depicted here (WIP, especially the bombers and most Greek aircraft):
This is the main reason I’m a avid supporter of the Greek subtree for Israel, it solves the trees greatest problem which no other subtree realistically could. With the addition of Greece to Israel, Ranks I-III could be added to the nation finally, with little to no issue. And gaijin’s favorite part I’m sure is that the majority here is copy pasted airframes making the addition of Aviation Ranks I-III to Israel easy for them.
WTMs naval mode and regular WTs naval mode are pretty different and WTM has much more modern ships already
For the Lun-class to work it would require arcade-like reloading, even in realistic battles, as it only has two 23mm turrets left after spending its six missiles and there would have to be more advanced ships in general as well
You are right about the Matilda Hedgehog having appeared before, the ORP Garland was in that same trophy as well. That was the third iteration of the Previous Vehicles trophy and I forgot about that.
Since then they haven’t included market vehicles in that Trophy again and I am fairly certain that they aren’t going to put a high value vehicle in that trophy though. The Hedgehog hovers around 15-20 bucks and the Garland is still the least valuable vehicle on the market at 3-4 bucks.
