Battle for Rome, 8-10 September 1943

[ImportantSimone5]

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Battle for Rome, 8-10 September 1943.

History.

In 1943, Italy’s military situation was desperate: the armed forces were reduced to the bare minimum and lacking in almost everything they needed, industries were on their knees under Allied bombing, and the country’s territory had been reduced to its European borders. With the Anglo-American landing on Italian soil (Sicily) in mid-1943, the situation worsened even further as the fighting moved into the heart of metropolitan Italy. This dire situation led the nation’s senior military and political leaders to question whether it was really worth continuing to fight, which quickly led to the removal of Benito Mussolini from his role as head of state and an armistice signed in Cassibile between the Italian and American authorities. With the signing of the Armistice, the Germans, who had been anticipating Italy’s possible defection from the war for months, launched Operation Achse, which saw German units stationed in Italy move to occupy the territory and disarm the Italian units there.
After the High Command and the Italian government fled Rome (leaving few directives for the armed forces stationed throughout the kingdom), the Germans proceeded to attempt to occupy the city and the Italian units decided, albeit not all of them, to fight to defend the city in anticipation of possible Allied help to secure the Eternal City from German troops.
Shortly after the armistice was declared, the first clashes broke out between Italian and German troops stationed in Rome and near the capital. These clashes continued and raged heavily (with little organisation on the part of the Italian troops) until 10 September, when the last Italian units (supported by the military police and civilians) surrendered.

Photos, drawings, maps and comparisons.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsHCIgv8v0

Before and After: Battle of Rome, Porta San Paolo, 1943 (1943-Sep-09 & 2018-Aug-05)
ROME OLD PHOTO -

Sources.

Spoiler

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[YaSen]

Absolutely +1, would be an epic map!

[RDXRooster63]

+1 hope map rotation will allow me to play it :)

[PlayedStatue626-live]

+1

[BlueBeta]

Really complicated to do. But it would be awesome

[Exocetta]

What do you think the “Italy” map is supposed to be depicting?
A “Rome” map would be just another CQB urban map like Sweden with the Italy map assets.

[Beeschurger]

I wanna say yes due to historical and cultural importance, I wanna say no because last thing I want in this game is yet another UFC octagon kickbox match sized map with tanks.

Might as well do this as next top tier map.

[ImportantSimone5]

Sure it would be another urban map, but I hope for it being not a diorama map.

[GetGæijined]

I just want new maps man

[BlueBeta]

Of course a close quartier city map is not so welcome by a part of the playerbase and also is a lot complicated to do (Rome is very very very difficult to be done). But historically is important and also “why not”!
Suggesting is always welcome, some of the players won’t love it, someone else yes.

It could be similar to “Sweden” for dimensions and play style.

[R_nminbiY_n]

@BlueBeta

is a lot complicated to do (Rome is very very very difficult to be done)

Well you know what they say, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

[CharAznable3]

Would be great for infantry

Also we got Berlin so why not we need Rome. Also one day 1947 downfall Tokyo.

[CharAznable3]

It sure will be demolished in one day once warthunder gets her hands on it.

[BlueBeta]

Right now this could be a great idea. Many city maps (i think for Berlin too) can be used for Infantry.
Right now I don’t like to play Berlin with tanks but I would love it for Infantry.
Rome can be the same.

Since Rome is very big (as it is Berlin) I suggest to consider a portion of it with a small rectangle of the central city center like Piazza Venezia or an easier one near San Paolo Fuori le Mura.

[EpicChicken22]

I hope the Battle of Monte Cassino will come.

[BlueBeta]

Or the landings in Sicily/Anzio

[CharAznable3]

As long as the colosseum can be a capture point so we can slug it out in there like gladiators. An interesting building for an infantry map would be the Palazzo Venezia due to its history though it looks bluh on the out side architecturally inside is very interesting. Gaijin punching a few holes in the side of it for gameplay purposes and it would be ideal!

I would have to agree with @EpicChicken22 the Battle of Monte Cassino would be fun I hope gaijin makes a few good historicalish maps again though there a bit derpy balence wise

[CharAznable3]

I know this is a bit off topic but I should see if I can suggest a infantry Malta map. Important to Italy in WW2 and lots of caves and fortresses for every empire that ever existed carved into that poor island. We humans really engineered Malta

[codor23866]

+1. There is so much history here! I know it would be another CQB map but all of the details and uniqueness would make this a treat! Nice suggestion

[leroyonly]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration. o7