What is the reference weight in the tactical manual?
17,211 lbs
Where does it say that? Because the chart with 17211 that you like to post appears to be from a different source than the paragraph that you like to quote the bleed rate from.
And where is it then? You keep posting snippets and not the whole thing. So for all we know you are using figures for low weight harrier and saying it’s heavy. Also wheres is 18 AoA sourced from?
Also do you know the nach number for the CL graph you are referencing?
Gaijin denied my lift report using the Natops manual and you agreed so its from there
this means you should also agree with it pulling 18 degrees AOA and never bleeding speed to less then 400 knots.
250 ft/sec so .22 mach
same missing factor
I told you its not mine to just give away.
Ask flame as he is the one who took the time to scan it.
So only clip and share things out of context to prove your point. Yeah very smart.
Nothing is being shared out of context here lol
You just can’t admit to being wrong
Explain how it has a high bleed rate when it can pull 18 degrees AOA and never slow down below 400 knots.
Or how it bleeds tons of speed with VIFF yet only loses 100 knots for 90 degrees of turn.
Why don’t you explain it? You did say your job involves making calculations. Surely a guy who didn’t know how triangles work has the answers.
pure british cope, we made the AV-8 so much better
Eh, it was optimized for a different role. so it makes some sense that the AV-8B has worse performance since it trades it for more stations and lift capacity / fuel, the USMC had other airframes (and the Navy) to rely on for the A2A mission set.
its always been the AV-8 and not the FV-8, so we made it better at its actual job which means the plane is better.
in what respect, thrust to wieght is about the same if not better for the AV-8B
Top speed and high end acceleration are worse with the Big Wing, as well as when fully loaded due to being able to carry more, relative performance is worse.
so an AV-8B+ with a couple AIM-9’s and certain combat radius will be a worse dogfighter than a Sea Harrier with the same amount of AIM-9’s and same combat radius?
yea the harrier 2 should perform worse than a harrier 1 as a fighter.
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do you know empty weight for the sea harrier vs av-8b+?
google says the AV-8B+ is only 500 pounds heavier empty but that does sound kind of low, you would think it would be like 1000lb
it has a significantly more powerful engine so that would make its ttw much better if true. with a far more advanced wing it should be a better dogfighter at the cost of some top end performance
Its not just weight, its also drag. bigger wing = more drag
Mk106 vs Mk107 isnt that big of a difference.
Just using WT wiki for this
Mk106 (FA2) = 9’290 / 10’040 kgf
Mk107 / Rolls-Royce F402-RR-408 (T10/AV-8B+) = 10’020 / 10840 kgf
So its about 800 kgf difference.
The difference between F-15C and F-15E in comparison is around 2000 kgf
Bigger wing designed for more hardpoints and greater warload weight =/= better in a dogfight.
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