Dude according to your chart it lost more than it won. Also nothing here indicates that the 0 offset merge wasn’t head-to-head. You’re suspiciously cropping the documents and lying about what they are saying.
Draw is neutral with the lighting needing to call bingo
Basically allowing the harrier to potentially get a missile shot when it’s running.
Cool advantage indeed to have 3X the endurance as your enemy
Cmon man, no way your gonna argue that the lightning would get smoked by an f-104? Im not saying anything about the harrier because i dont know enough but this is pretty easy to figure out.
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We’re live in a world where F-15 got smoked by F4, what makes you think F-104 cant do the same thing to Lightning?
If it’s an EEL? Plenty.
Aw yes the famous British math where the lower number is actually the bigger number.
Holy cope
Holy yap
The EEL is better then the F-4E by all metrics
And a harrier using only the lowest thrust rating and some VIFF can defeat it starting at a disadvantage
So tell me why the harrier was able to win and survive at all against an aircraft that would have had an average maximum sustained turned rate of nearly 17 d/s
The performance of the aircraft would have been significantly greater than an F-4E but you said that would rinse a harrier every time.
Not to mention the harrier isn’t even using its maximum engine power.
That’s a 1 off picture
The Lightning and harrier flew combat dozens of times each one being documented
These things are not even in the same ball park
How does the USAFs best fighter lose a dogfight to a Super Bug? It’s a mystery we will never know.
Holy cope lol
You’ve run out of anything too attack now you’re both spamming nonsense
Good day
you have been spewing nonsense for the past 3 days
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You can’t even differentiate the basic weights of two different aircraft mate
man you still didnt get it
maybe if have a brick that weighs 17k lbs and you cant manage to make it turn better than a brick that weighs 42k lbs, then maybe that lighter brick isnt that great
surely having an overall lower weight or a higher TWR dosent help you at all
Please avoid any more off-topics.
thank you
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Either way my point still stands.
The reason you only post snippets of the UK document is because you are being dishonest about something and don’t want a second set of eyes to look at it.
I imagine a guy who claims the Lightning F.6 maneuvers nearly as well as an F-16A or confuses Su-27 STR curves for ITR curves probably missed something.
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I don’t read Cyrillic but pop off
There’s nothing else to that document
And the lightning during this trial did have similar performance to the F-16A potentially with weapons.
All the while the harrier was heavy on fuel and started at a disadvantage using low thrust ratings
Combats with the Lightning lasted 2.5 minutes and win loss or draw was taken comparatively depending on what aircraft maintained an advantage for the longest duration
I’ve got an American doc AV-8A vs F-86 I’ll post soon and that one says the longer the fight continues the more advantages the harrier draws
There is also vs mig17 21 and flagon
MiG-17 is known to be more maneuverable then the Hunter.
So when the harrier can use its highest wing Bourne thrust ratings it’s considered equal in all around guns only maneuvering engagements with something that turns as unbelievably well as a MiG-17
Fixed that for you.
The Lightning in this trial has 25% fuel.
A 50% fuel F-16 will sustain far more G than a Lightning.
It’s actually funny that you staked a whole claim on the Lightning turn performance and not once asked what the fuel load was.
25% fuel Lightning would run out of fuel if it used afterburner for that 2.5 minutes. That means they either didn’t use afterburner the whole time or literally glided back to the runway after the fight was over. Like damn dude Harrier might be worse than we imagine when you consider Lightning is having to alternate from afterburner to dry thrust.
Oh look more completely contextless charts that you claim show something but refused to post the rest of the document that actually shows anyone how to interpret the charts or the context that they exist in. Great reporting buddy!