BAe Sea Harrier - Technical data and discussion

But weren’t they doing level drops on Port Stanley airfield using the time-to-drop symbology?

Isnt that an indicator that at least in manual, the SHar was able to provide accurate release information without being in a loft profile?

I understand what its meant to do IRL, but war thunder is war thunder, with many many missing features and generally non-standard tactics

Though in the absence of LOFT being modeled… CCRP just feels like a reasonable compromise/placeholder for now. Especially given how little interest the devs seem to have for anything related to dropping bombs

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I’d have expected release point, lay down attack or any number of things that point to CCRP ( and specifically CCRP).

Lofting isn’t CCRP even when its automatic. As in game CCRP is used for lay down attacks only and is largely kinda okay for lofting.

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Even if thats the case, you still won’t find any CCRP symbology in the HUD unit on FA2 at a minimum, so does nothing to help you in sim.

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Even the Harrier II manuals have lay down attacks and CCRP explicitly mentioned.
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I dont mind about the FA2 that much, its very very unlikely to get into a position to drop the 3 bombs onto a target, but the FRS1’s much lower BR and ability to carry 5 makes it a reasonable base bomber.

But we could still get the LOFT symbology for the FRS1, just designate the target like normal, it shows a cross over the target, you have the time to target in the corner. job done. Basically the Buc’s CCRP Symbology.

If/when they ever update CCRP, it can be converted from the catch-all CCRP into something more specific, but given we still have the mess which is bomb series & Ripple quantities… Im not holding my breath that would be anytime soon

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Is CCIP not an option?

You cant use CCIP to loft bombs at the AF or against bases too close to the AFs (on a map like Denmark, like 30-50% of bases are located next too or even between AFs, which just got a major buff this major update) . Nor can you use CCIP to accurately drop bombs from above the AFs air defences.

You cant use CCIP to help locate the targets which can be buggy on some maps and actually be underground (reported many times, never fixed) and even those above ground can be tricky to locate visually on some maps.

Yes, you can use CCIP, but when the Sea Harrier has symbology and 9/10th of the CCRP we have in-game, it just feels a bit like splitting hairs.

With the buffs to AF AAs coming to SB this major. The need for half decent CCRP, especially in the LOFT attack profile has become far far more needed. Which is why I also enquired about getting the bare minimum necessary symbology for the Tonka to enable more accurate lofting a few days ago.

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Right well, regardless. Your report asked for CCRP symbology, there is non, so nothing to add. The lack of lofting in game is a whole other thing. You can’t just “yeah, but…” your way into it being a thing. Suggestion on the forum for the implementation of a proper loft bombing system would be required.

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Which would just go ignored like all suggestions do. Still got one from 3 years ago to just add all the bomb series settings to ripple quantity.

So no ability to loft bombs on the Sea Harrier. Thats a shame.

Rather than "aircraft has X but should be Y, so we’ll add Y. "

it “aircraft has X but should be Y so we’ll delete X”

Gaijin seems to be more interested in subtracting than adding lately

and I have no idea what you’d actually put for that suggestion. “add lofting, its CCRP, but different, but functionally identical”

How I see it:

CCRP for lay down attack

  1. Mark a target
  2. Follow the HUD symbology to target
  3. Depress the pickle button
  4. Aircraft releases bombs at the right time

LOFT:

  1. Mark a target
  2. Follow the HUD symbology to target
  3. Depress the pickle button
  4. Aircraft releases bombs at the right time

(Just maybe with a min alt? Or to have a positive pitch angle?)

Just feels like removing an historically accurate capability for the sake of a technicality and if we ever get Lofting, it would function 99.99% the same as it already does.

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So, im going to come at this from another angle.

What is the fundemental requirements for “CCRP” in an in-game context.

Can the aircraft pre-designate a target? Yes:

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There is even imagery of the HUD showing the target reticle.

Can the aircraft automatically release bombs at the correct time to hit said target? yes

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Can the system be used in level flight? Yes

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and quite frankly, why a bombing computer can handle the complexity of a loft attack and the parabolic arc that entails but cannot handle a level flight is rather beyond me.

I could understand an early fighter-bomber not being able to loft using its CCRP, but I dont understand why a bombing computer that can handle loft cant handle level drops.

There is even secondary accounts of the system able to handle the necessary lead to hit a moving ship

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21 April 1992 On the afternoon of Easter Monday, 801 NAS Sea Harrier FRS.1, embarked in HMS Ark Royal, were practicing bombing procedures off the coast of Northern Ireland. The pilot was practising ‘toss-profiles’, as part of the Air Group work-up, on a splash target towed behind the ship.
The aircraft’s aiming system allowed the pilot to acquire his target (in this case the ship) on radar or visually and, the computer would apply an offset so, the bomb would drop close to the splash target. The bomb went through the flight deck at 1633 into the 820 NAS mess deck where off-duty aircrewmen were taking stand-easy and five ratings were injured, some seriously.
My thanks to Cdr Tim Eastaugh who previously explained on this page, an unknown ‘glitch’ in the software meant the required offset had to be applied 30 secs or more before Time to Target… after which it would default to the actual target. Tim said, “the pilot set everything up correctly, including the splash offset distance and correctly followed the HUD flight director pull up bars… The SOP was to ‘accept’ the attack between 60 and 30 seconds time to target (TTG), but there was no warning briefed of the consequences a ‘slightly late’ input would have on the aiming solution. This anomaly, which should have been noted and rectified during contractor and acceptance flight trials, was only rectified after this tragic accident.”
The alarm was raised by a Leading Stores Accountant and helped one of the injured to sick bay. The flight deck party spotted the impact and directed fire hoses down through the hole the bomb had made quenching the fire below. Shrapnel caused some damage to helicopters which were parked on the flight deck.
Rear Admiral Mike Boyce (FOST) was later quoted in Navy News as saying, “Regrettable though the incident was, it happened after three-weeks FOST operational training (amd as a result) the response teams acted with impressive speed and efficiency preventing further tragedy…” The injured were treated onboard, then taken ashore to RNH Haslar, and onto Odstock hospital in Salisbury. - Source

Heck, there is even accounts of them practicing laydown bombing trials, whilst it does not go into detail, that might have included using the bombing computer:

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and accounts of the bombing trial using the loft profile enroute to the falklands

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So I just dont understand the decision to remove an IRL capability for sake of technicalities. So the Sea Harrier doesnt mention CCRP in the pilots handbook because it just wasnt something ever envisioned for it to do, as that would be the job of the Harrier GR3 and Later GR5/GR7/GR9. Nor have I yet to see any evidence that the Sea Harrier was incapable of dropping bombs at anything lower release angles. I dont understand why the computer could handle a 40° loft attack but not a level drop, surely the math is easier with a level drop.

Just… feels unnecessary to nerf an already nerfed aircraft.

TLDR: CCRP =/= loft but Loft must = CCRP.

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That the aircraft has CCRP. That’s the requirement.

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So if they ever add LOFT to the game. What could the Harrier GR3, Tornado GR1, Jaguar GR1, etc etc do that the Sea Harrier could not?

They can both designate a target

They can both automatically release bombs onto that target.

I just dont see the difference

Because it doesn’t? You don’t need to understand why to know that it doesn’t. I’m happy to be corrected but reading the manual it doesn’t have it.

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Lay down attacks at low level at the predesignated release point.

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Does the manual give minimum loft angles or minimum release alts?

Could you loft bombs onto a target at a 5° pitch angle from 300ft?

and if you couldnt, why not? Is the Bombing computer on the SHar only capable of handling 40° degree loft attacks, but anything less than that it cant? Its wierd it can calculate the release point for a steep loft attack but not more shallower angles

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It can do a lay down attack but its not computed. So not CCRP;

So the bombing computer can guide the aircraft into the necessary position and then release bombs at the correct time automatically in a steep 40° loft attack, but cannot handle doing the same at shallower angles, even near 0°pitch?

Doesnt state anywhere that I can see that there is minimums. Unless its just pre-programmed with the data needed for a single loft angle and thats it?

Its just wierd.

Though id still argue that leaving CCRP so that it can actually loft bombs is better than restircting the aircraft to CCIP only and totally removing the ability for it to loft bombs until such time that a LOFT mode is actually added, If it ever is and the defined information regarding the 20k ft level drops on Port Stanley Airfield shows that the system could at least handle correct timings for such a drop, even if it wasnt automatic.

Probably limited by the radar being needed to be used for all bombing, bright side is that did result in very accurate weapons delivery but likewise seems to have limited the release methods.

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But wouldnt that be easier with the aircraft in level or shallower angles as a steep loft angle would take the target out of the radars FOV? (I cant recall what the vertical angle is on the blue Fox)