Perhaps, but in gamemodes like ASB, you would be pretty much limited to VID range, all the while defending against Fox-3s and other Gen 5 IRs
I agree 9Ms handle so weird
They will just randomly either not track or go straight into the ground.
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Its less that, I have no real issues with the 9Ms themselves, but rather the BR. At 12.7 (in SB) you are against aircraft with almost every single advantage against you, if you can get on tehir tails and fire an Aim-9M, great. If not you are sat on the defensive most of the time.
In the T.10, you can actually go and move mud and comfortably gunfight anything that comes to try and stop you. I feel horribly exposed half the time in the Gr7 whenever I play from the lack of radar or even target ID’ing RWR. Let being in a subsonic aircraft that has to overextend to do its job. Even if you win the dogfight, something like a Mig-29 will be airbourne and back on your tail long before you’ve made it back to base
This is true.
When in sim with the Gr.7 I used bait and wait “tactics”
I let someone who I think is an enemy pick me up on radar and wait to see how they move and if they launch.
After than just stay low and they will come in to fight you and if they do you can beat just about any plane dumb enough to fight you.
You could always use the targetting pod for finding and identifying targets, that what I do with the AV-8B NA in sim, it works really well tbh
In terms of the aircraft you’d be fighting, it would probably be a struggle, but the ASRAAMS have some pretty excellent range for IR missiles. Close the distance a bit and you should win.
The Gr.7 out turns a MiG-29 pretty easily
TIALD I find that a tad useless, which is a problem in the GR7. The FLIR and Litening III on the GR4 are pretty good for that though.
But its still far far more awkard, especially when doing 10 different things at once, especially if that includes defending against an incoming ARH
Without a radar to slave them too, I do wonder how limited the range will be on a radar-less airframe like the GR9A. Yes, should be excellent, but where as you could probably sling one at 25-30km in the Typhoon, It may be more like 10km in the GR9A, simply because that is range you need to be to get a lock. (Im doubting we’ll have any LOAL modes for them)
The GR.9 has a better targetting pod than the TIALD, i forget which one, the SNIPER pod i think? Much better thermal generation.
In terms of radar slaving, you don’t have radar but you do have HMS, so you can launch them at high angles. I’m not sure that radar slaving really improves the range on IR missiles much, I could be wrong though.
Yeah, which will help greatly in the GR9, but with ASRAAM it will be up against things with AESA, more than likely slinging both ARH and Gen 5s back at you.
Im just concerned its going to end being a chore aircraft, and one you rarely play (in ASB at least) simply because of that fact.
Yeah, but still will require being in visual range.
I can never remember if ASRAAM has DL or not. I want to say it does, but dont quote me on that. I might be getting it confused with its ground launched cousin
Sea Harrier FA.2 would like to say hello.
Yep, though… being limited to the Aim-120Bs might be an issue. Out of all of them. I reckon the F3 should get the ASRAAMs and move up as it can also get Aim-120C5s and Phimat Pod(s) for extra CMs.
What if they just added a 3rd Harrier and Tornado.
Make them 14.0 with asraam
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That would be the best option for both.
Yes I was thinking they could just do like a final years of service version.
Wonder if the Shar got any last minute updates before retirement.
Given just how much hate the FA2 had thrown at it in its last few years, Im surprised it even got cleared for ASRAAM.
But I think BOL is the other major upgrade it got during its end-of-life.
Yes I still think it could carry 4 bol on the wings personally.
4 Bol and 4 ASRAAM would be very good on a small light airframe like the Shar
With some jokes, After seeing the discussion about ASRAAM, I am a bit worried about what will happen on the forum if we get ASRAAM on GR.9A or T.12A.
“They got IIR on the strike aircraft first. Then give us F-15E/AV-8B+ AIM-9X too!”
(with underlines on ‘Strike Aircraft’ on their stat card)
Especially when I saw the ‘gib AIM-9X on F/A-18C Late.’ topic at the forum before. Xd
No chance they will come in a vacuum.
Even though the Gr7 was in desperate need of a buff in 2023 and limited deployment of Aim-9M would have helped. We only got them because the F-16C were getting them.
More than likely, we’ll get ASRAAM because the US got Aim-9X and a slim chance, we’ll get them the update later.
The minimum design requirement (from the early 1980s) for ASRAAM was for 8 km lock range against a subsonic “small fighter aircraft in military power” at all aspect angles.
So that practically translates to at least 8 km lock range directly head-on (the hardest angle to lock) and substantially more than that in any other aspect, or if the target has afterburner.
Even de-chirped AIM-9L could have some crazy lock ranges though, so in practice ASRAAM is probably better than that.
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Fair enough then, though we are still waiting for those kinds of lock ranges on the Aim-9M. I still get situations where Im not getting tone with the missile well inside the LSZ at like 3 or 4 KM.
So no guarantee ASRAAM will have its correct lock ranges either