BAC TSR.2 - Technical Data and discussion

Would be nice if they finally changed the sea harriers (or even all harriers) designation from strike aircraft to fighter. Its anoying knowing my buc and harrier share the same spawn cost. Makes bringing out anything bellow 10.7 a pain as its all just strike aircraft in the british tree…

FA2 got changed. Gr1/Gr3/Gr7 all have the correct designation. So does the AV-8A, AV-8C and AV-8B(NA)

I dont know about the AV-8B+, whether it would be better to class it as ground attack or naval fighter. Though its probably advantageous to leave it as a strike aircraft, so you can use something like an F-16 along side it for CAP/Multirole

Just the FRS1e and FRS1 that have the wrong designation imo

Never mind, heres two I missed:

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man, if we had the Falkland mod Vulcans and Victors…

Vulcan flying over you in ground would be a sight to see. especially if they give it its 9gs, martels and flares. But if they did add it we would have to have 2 variants as the later models didnt have the iconic howl due to different engines.

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It was passed to the devs, as myself and Flame made the suggestion. For context I work on an Avro Vulcan B.2 as a Volunteer assisting with maintenance when I can, but doing guided cockpit and aircraft tours.

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And yes, only the Avro Vulcan B.2 models with the Bristol Olympus 201 engines made the harmonic resonnence issue at low alt at low speed.
Every version before and after never had the issue (or only ever so slightly in the background). A suspected 2/3rds ish never did that howl.

It’s just every documentary made in the last 20-40 years involved Avro Vulcan B.2’s with 201’s doing airshows. And for embellishment said things like the “iconic” Vulcan howl.

indeed, have seen said suggestion, hence why I bring it up (it’d be cool!)

also, damn fine volunteering position!

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I’ve had and idea for next top tier strike bomber, would anyone like to hear my suggetion?

Go ahead ig

So my idea is to do what the British did in WW2, and it is to make an OP Swordfish for 12.0.
This new Swordfish would have:

  • An EJ200
  • Stormshadow
  • CAPTOR radar
  • Meteors
  • All Brimstone models
  • ASRAAM
  • Stiker II HMD
    and for good measure stealth capabilities with a top airframe speed of Mach 6.

This would be a great addition to the game and 100% real. :)))))))))

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I know… I made a masterpiece


Armament loads - 1965


Scale wind tunnel model with rocket pods


Mock up bombs in the bay.

Bombs also included parachute retarded bombs and AST.1197 (Would later be developed into the BL755)

Source: TSR2: Britan’s Lost Bomber

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Are the nuclear bombs also coming with the TSR.2

any information on its ability to carry red tops?

Still wouldnt pen soviet ERA :P

Not that I can see, though I dont have all the pages of this book. It certainly wasn’t on the table it seems at the time of cancellation.

According to the book, conventional strike was considered a tertiary role of the aircraft; and Air Staff resisted any development of dedicated conventional weapon systems for the TSR-2. Thus they wanted only off the shelf weapon conventional weapons.

For other weapon systems though and their development; rockets seemed to be 2 inch rockets in 37 tube pods, or RP-3’s. Rocket pods would also be lowered from within the bomb bay, this was deemed too complex and costly. It was then suggested a dedicated rocket pack be created for the TSR-2’s bay. By 1959 the requirement for RP-3’s was pending removal, and was indeed removed by 1960. Standard 2 inch rocket pods were deemed the way to go and any planned rocket system using up the bay had been discarded.

Besides the aforementioned parachute retarded bombs, and the cluster bomb, the original requirement for the TSR-2 was to at least carry 4, then later 6 1000 lb conventional bombs. Due to the nature of the lower altitude high speed strike mission, a study for a new low drag bomb was conducted. However this did not progress further due to the desire for off-the-shelf weapon systems. Additionally, it was deemed the Martel wing pylons were strong enough to support four bombs each on ejector racks, this was also not pursued any further.

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AS.30’s on TSR-2 wind tunnel model

Both AGM-12 Bullpups and AS.30’s were considered for the TSR-2, but the higher than expected implementation costs, carriage limitations, existing stocks of missiles having a shelf-life that was anticipated to expire by the time the TSR-2 entered service, and the fact both weapon systems were deemed to be interim until more advanced missiles became available led to both weapons being cut from development by 1963.


Tychon

The Tychon missile was also considered for the TSR-2, with a carriage of four missiles. But this system lost out to the Martel.

GOR.339 in 1957 did bring up the possibility of napalm weapon delivery, BAC was authorized to develop a napalm carriage as late as March 1965.

Other weapons that caught the interest of the TSR-2 program was Hawkeye II, CBU-75 Sadeye, Mk 116 Weteye, and AGM-62 Walleye, though no further development was carried out.

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where did this come from then?
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