Where does it say Red Top?
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Forgot about that. This is going to be a fun aircraft. 99% chance it’s going to be one of these event vehicles but I’ll take what I can get.
Even without Red Tops, Placed at 9.3, it would be a fun base bomber, a bit niche, but fun nonetheless. But yeah, would make a great event vehicle.
You think gaijin will allow us to have that at 9.3? considering they tried to get the buc s2 moved up to 9.7 multiple times… Considering how fast it can go (still love the guy explaining how a lightning struggled to keep up with it having one jet in afterburner) i would say 10.0 would be fine. At that br itll not see too many sarh missiles and could nicely fly away from pretty much anything it could face.
I see 3 possibilities. 1, It doesnt get redtops but still has counter measures. I see this being 9.7, 10.0 worthy as it can still outrun and defeat missiles it faces.
2, it gets redtops as is. i would say it would still be fine at 10.0, maybe 9.7 but it might be a little too strong (of course i have no idea how it flew as all i know is its fast which isnt the be all end all).
3, finally we have 3 which is what i want. This would have redtops but with major changes to them to fix their abhorrent fm. With the changes it would make them all aspect, higher pull and maybe a bit more range but im pretty sure they at least have that down now. This would make it a 10.3 minimum along with the sea vixen moving to 9.0 or 9.3 and the lighting maybe 9.7 or 10.0 due to lack of countermeasures (the premium one could maybe get them but it depends on gaijin).
All in all it would have a pretty decent chance at those brs without being basically worthless but not too strong for gaijins taste (they dont like us getting too many rewards as given with the base respawn nerf and reduced rp due to the rocket cheese).
No Red Tops
Figured 9.3-9.7 as it has no defence other than pure speed and the F-104, Lightning F6 and Mig-21 all exist at that BR with guns and AAMs. It would basically be a Buc S1 that is supersonic.
With Red Tops (rear aspect)
9.7-10.0 as it would actually have self defence, but Id still not place it massively above the aforementioned aircraft
with Red Tops (all-aspect)
10.0 quite happily, but Im assume it lacks CMs and so I dont think it should go higher than 10,0. Additionally, Red Tops are easy to defeat kinematically.
Im not sure if its the same but the tsr 2 could have something similar to the s2 flare pods, so i was assuming it would at least have them. Without them i would tend to agree with you however.
Yep, TSR2 with Red Tops (fixed) + CMs even external CM pods, then id place it about the Jaguar Gr1A’s BR. Maybe F-111A
I wouldnt put it with the f111, the f111 can carry FAR more bombs and gets maw (not the most usefull thing but has saved my ass more than just a few times when i was zoning out wtahcing a film, also one of the best ways to grind is slap on a film and play a fast jet bomber). Plus, i would take 9bs over red tops half the time due to the fact they are actually pretty flare resistant when up close so on a fast jet you can actually make them work (i brought them on my f104s and used them against jets like the f14 and such as they never dodge… Tells you the skill level most ar at).
It would be a pretty good base bomber, theres plenty of people who will buy vehicles for just that
The German premium Tornado (pre-buff) was pretty useless, but could bomb bases well, so it sold well
But, the caveat about the tornado was: one, it is German, two, no other German premiums were much viable at the time. The F-4 JUNK is indeed junk, but they has somewhat of a consistency either by bombing or A2A, and has a better floor.
It seems alot of people ignore that there are still bomber mains whom are currently having to play purely strike fighter jets for bombing at higher to top tiers until we get more bomber aircraft. There will always be a massive interest for jet bombers including nuclear jet bombers/strike aircraft like this one. So hopefully it comes soon to the game but at the sime time as actual jet bombers, not as a replacement.
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Ill have you know i am an avid bomber main, its why i want a tornado for britain without the guided munitions so it can be at 11.3 in air… for whatever reason.
You have a suggestion I can vote at?
I would if i knew how to make one. Spent about an hour on one before just to have the mods never get back to me about it. It just vanished on me.
The two primary options would be the Tornado Gr1B, which was the anti-ship variant of the Tornado Gr1. Identical in every respect except it had the ability to carry and fire Sea Eagle ASMs or the Saudi Torando Gr1 which was ex-RAF Gr1s sold to the Saudis, they use a mix of British and American bombs and could come either with or without guided weapons.
I dont beleive there is a public suggestion for either however, though I think Gunjob has a tech mod suggestion in for the Gr1B.
Though they could just do what they did with the italians and add a C&P of a Tornado Gr1 from before 1991
onsidering the ground br of said tornado is 10.3, it would be a whole lot of fun using ccrp. Having that much chaff on a super sonic at those brs would make it kinda fun unlike trying to use the gr 1 rn facing f16s/15s every match with a pantsir up your ass.
Yeah, I think im almost more envious of the WTD61, MFG and A200 ability to be used at 10.3 to provide low level carpet bombs in GRB than I am of the fact they are at 11.3 in ARB/ASB. (which for me these days makes bugger all difference with the Mig-23MLD moving down to 11.3 in sim) Especially as 10.7 is my usual go-to for ground
10.3 was my old go to but thats been moved to 10.7. So i guess its back the good ol chally mk2 and TTD (TTD not being moved up is the best thing thats happened to the british tree as its a menace in down tiers as most rounds bellow 105mm dm33 cant pen it).
For me, I dont think it changes anything much, you’ll face the exact same tanks in a full uptier you always did. But instead of the only CAP option being the Sea Harrier FRS1e, I can now use the Sea Harrier FRS1 and/or the Phantom FGR2/FG1. In fact due to the FRS1 having the wrong designation, I can use both without issue