They will die to an Aim-9B 100% of the time, let alone stuff like R-3Rs or Aim-9Gs. It’s pathetic how little Gaijin cares about bombers.
The B-66 could genuinely be 8.3 without an airspawn and not be too good.
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ok i didnt expect it to be THIS bad fm wise
is radar even present? i remember seeing it on dev
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radar was completely removed
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Your bombless papersheet data proves B-66 is superior because these are bombers, and they need bombs to do their job.
You need real-world testing such as the following:
One has 550kph of rocket assist and the other doesn’t; and both have bomb loads in-practice.
Which makes that B-66’s higher top speed that bit faster.
1 minute 38 seconds to 1000kph. 3 minutes 22 seconds to the island.
Vautour is…
1 minute 50 seconds to 1000kph. 3 minutes 50 seconds to the island. While carrying far less fuel and only 1 base of bombs instead of 2.
After all, bombers require bombs to do their job. Statshark doesn’t model drag of externally mounted bombs at this time.
With the fact Vautour is slower, it’ll have to bring 12 or more minutes of fuel for the threat of B-66s in order to have enough fuel to loiter for a base respawn.
The B-66 gets that fuel load within its minimum amount.
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Your ‘papersheet test’ can’t prove that where B-66 or Vatuour should be.
Because, in paper, yes. Maybe Vautour is worse than B-66.
But in-game match, it becomes pointless.
If we exclude the air-spawn thing for nothing but just arguing’s sake.
(even though the air-spawn of Canberra/IL-28 gives a heavy advantage to them compared to Vautour or B-66)
It just won’t matter when everyone will spam missiles at you when you play them in 9.0BR.
AIM-7C or R.511 in high alt (F3H or Vatuour IIN Interceptor)
AIM-9B/E or Red Top in low alt (Supersonic interceptors like F-104 or Lightning, or fighters like F-100D)
Oh, we should never ever think about a full-uptier match, which B-66 or Vautour will face a 10.0BR jet like Mirage IIIC or F-4C, because it will be pointless. (they can’t stand a chance against R.550 Magic/R-530/AIM-7D)
Sir, what will be your next claim?
“Sideclimb as hard as you can to maintain a survival rate. That is how I did well, unlike you idiots do”?
Point 1. It will make it even slower to bomb the base, which will damage your average reward and efficiency compared to Yak-28B or Su-7 in the same BR
(No, not the underBRed term this time. Even if Yak-28B and Su-7 are underBRed one, it doesn’t matter in-game because they SHARE the same BR with Vautour and B-66 in 9.0BR NOW)
Point 2. There are examples of Tu-4 sisters or IL-28 sisters which get killed by AIM-7C of F3H-2. Even though they maintain a high altitude. Unlike Vautour or B-66, they have an air-spawn advantage.
Yeah, Tu-4 also loiters for a base respawn because B-57/Canberra or F-84F(Rank 5 USAF exclusive one) takes the base faster, then all they get is a free R.511 SARH missile from the interceptor version of Vautour.
TLDR:
1- Your data was pointless because it couldn’t reflect a real match
2- and even if your data was correct and reflecting the real match, B-66 and Vautour will be just slaughtered.
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Legitimately every single aircraft you mentioned is awful in air RB, save for maybe the IL-28 which is just regular levels of bad.
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What a joke.
I made more RP per hour when I played the Yak-28 than I did in some premium bombers [Ju-288 specifically].
It was ridiculously easy to use.
And I offer my advice to anyone and everyone. We’re all the same meat and neurons, we’re all capable of decent tactics.
Also I’m unsure how Pvt Wade’s papersheet data has anything to do with my post.
- unverifiable 2. nobody cares
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i find it kinda funny that as a 9.0 bomber, getting a downtier is actually somehow a bad thing because saab105 canberra etc will get the bases first because they have airspawn
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Buccaneer S1s which is better than B-57 which is better than IL-28
How do you think the Buc S1 is better then the B-57 and IL-28, it dosnt get a air spawn, has no protective weaponry unless you take rocket pods, and is 8.7 instead of 8.3 and 8.0.
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He completely ignores air-spawn and just compares papersheet stats.
That is why he believes that Bucc S.1 is better than B-57/Canberra
and why he believes that Vautour is better than Bucc S.1
Also, that is why he believes that B-66B is better than Vautour and a perfectly fine 9.0BR jet.
:/
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None of them get protective weaponry.
Buccaneer S1s are faster than B-57s which themselves are hilariously faster than IL-28s.
@Stockholm_Blend
Pvt_Wade’s ignoring of air spawns and using papersheet stats is not me. Stop applying his arguments onto me.
Their words are not my words, so stop inventing fan-fiction about others and be kind to others instead.
1- He is talking about Bucc S.1. It doesn’t have any kind of A2A weaponry.
2- If you think about countermeasures, B-57B got their chaff very, veeerry recently.
YES, IN PAPER SHEET OR TEST FLIGHT, in the pointless cleanroom.
Bucc S.1 is obviously faster than either B-57A/B or IL-28.
But the plane’s speed, which nearly every other person is talking about, is ‘speed when they reach base fast and bomb them’.
IN A REAL MATCH, with those damn supersonic interceptors and airspawned bombers.
And, in that ‘speed’,
Buccaneer S.1 are slower than IL-28s, which themselves are hilariously slower than B-57s.
Of course, B-66 or Vautour are slower than them too.
(I told you about those Yak-28B or Su-7 problems before, so… should I need to remind you again?)
I don’t think he is ignoring air spawn.
Your test data from the cleanroom is no better than his papersheet stat.
I think I CRUSHED your theory on the last claim.
No sir, I am applying your argument onto you.
Your words are your words.
First of all, I am trying to be as kind as I can.
Secondly, with all due respect, that last section sounds like a classic case of projection to me
@Stockholm_Blend
First off, I was playing ground, I haven’t played air below top BRs to know air spawn started.
You can’t ignore what you don’t know, and no one told me.
YOU should’ve said, without assuming anything of me: “Hey, Alvis. They changed spawning systems of air RB to air spawn for everyone.”
And I would’ve been like “Cool. I’ll retest things later.”
Test drive is not a datasheet test, it’s a real-world test using real loadouts and starting from the same position.
With bombers all universally starting in air right now and in the foreseeable future, I’ll redo my “real-world” testing, and I’d appreciate it being respected rather than dismissed and in my opinion lied about.
Is that a fair ask?
You and I obviously agree that Yak-28 and Su-7 should be a higher BR.
I’ve created zero claims against anyone here. You made false claims and got called out as creating fan-fiction, and for some reason are attempting to “No u.” despite that being my only claim against you or others.
Maybe don’t be obnoxious about it? You make people think that you know it all (which you don’t) hence why the assumption.
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None of them get protective weaponry.
B57B get 50 Cals and a 20mm front cannon, Canberra get 20mm cannons, IL-28 gets 23mm front and a 23 rear turret gunner, the is-28 sh can even take gunpods.
First off, I was playing ground, I haven’t played air below top BRs to know air spawn started.
Why are you in a thread about a plane at 9.0 if you havnt even reached rank 6 where planes lose air spawn.
I explicitly tell people I don’t know most things.
I know a decent amount about a few things in the game.
Acceleration testing is one of the few things.
@psycho_sikh
My bad, I typed “weaponry” when speaking about flares, because my brain used a technical term instead of the common term.
I meant to type in countermeasures, so I hope you’ll accept my mistake and clarification.
Also, all bombers and strike aircraft have air spawn currently on at least some maps if not all, including B-66B.
I was only made aware of this yesterday from a match I played involving the F-80A-5.
The Buc s1 is classed as a strike plan. No plane gets a guaranteed air spawn rank 6 and above, only some maps have everyone spawn in the air rank 6 and above.