Hello guys, I want to discuss the dishonest change to the B29, why has everyone forgotten about the Tu-4? this is the same plane as the B29 only with better turrets, but in fact, on br 8.0 this does not save it in any way, I want them to finally reduce the outdated br Tu-4 to at least 7.3, to fight against spaa with radars and MRLS with infrared missiles as well as jet aircraft with infrared missiles are impossible; maximum speed in combat at an altitude of 2-2.5 km cannot in any way be an advantage on this armored vehicle . We have a Tu-14T on the same aircraft, which is better than the Tu-4, which does not have jet engines and is capable of reaching speeds of up to 800 km/h in the ARB, the same situation, while I received a 3000 kg bomb, I was consistently destroyed before approaching the bomb drop site, only rarely was it possible to successfully drop bombs and survive. I think it’s not fair that they are now lowering the B29 br to 7.0 and the Tu-4 remains the same, the only advantage and difference of the Tu-4 is the 23mm Yu turret, but this is not an argument, even at 7.3 there are many fast aircraft and cannon AA. I hope someone will hear me and bring this to the developers, an almost identical plane cannot remain on the same br, it needs to be changed in all br modes, and especially in TRB, please help me fix this
The B-29 should be 6.0/6.3, and the Tu-4 should be 6.7/7.0. All (heavy) prop bombers from ~3.0-8.0 are overtiered, imo.
Yes , you are right actually its must be like so , but for first step at least like this
I found the (Chinese) TU-4 much easier to spade than the B-29 despite the higher br. Not saying that it doesnt need to go down, but it’s an issue with bomber gameplay in general, not just these two specific planes.
tu-4 gets 20mm turrets b-29 get .50 cals
Would make sense considering its (b-29) the nuke plane at 6.3
yes true but they can’t resist IR missiles and so AA with radars, also ipm chaparal (I think that’s what it’s called) will make BR 9.0 which will not affect the life of this slow-flying bomber which maneuvers worse than PE-8 + it is possible to meet ZSU-23-4M4 with IR missiles g91 at BR 8.7 just a slight movement wipes this plane off the face of the earth for example there are many planes which are capable of shooting down Tu-4 from a long distance, Tu-4 is a huge target which is visible even on approach 23mm turrets have a maximum efficiency of up to 1 km and this is if an experienced player is sitting behind this plane otherwise you won’t destroy a piston plane point-blank like me at the same time other planes have better weapons and effective range even if you are a bad player. I think we need to lower the BR of all Tu-4 and B29 that are in the game in all modes because it is unplayable, and it would be better, as the person commented in the post above, to lower the BR of all heavy bombers
why are you using the Tu-4 as CAS
what do you mean CAS ?
You do know a B-29 at 6.3 can see A6Ms right? A Zero-sen cannot dream of catching or intercepting one. It is extremely hard to balance these aircraft, but under NO circumstance should a B-29 be lower than 6.7, and Tu-4 7.3.
The issue with that sort of balancing is that while the A6M can’t do much against the B-29, virtually every plane at the A6M’s BR can deal with the B-29. Keeping the BR of the B-29 at 7.0 means everything at its BR can take it out with extreme ease, but moving it down (assuming other bombers are also properly moved down as well) means that only a couple planes can’t deal with the B-29, but there are still plenty of planes that can deal with them easily.
I completely agree with you
You might want to share a source for this claim?
From my pov USSR 20 & 23 mm turrets are effective to at least 2 km if you shoot at a target tailchasing you. US AN/M2 0.50 cals and the Swedish m/39A 13.2 mm hit reliably up to 2.5 km at tail chasing enemies.
Since late 2022 there is an artificial bullet/shell dispersion of defensive HMGs and cannons implemented and the damage output “feels” somehow nerfed too, but especially USSR defensive cannons have very good ballistics and are therefore rather easy to aim.
Nevertheless i fully agree that heavy bombers have way too high BRs - imho in order to please the average fighter pilot who is unable to fight other fighters and needs easy targets like bombers to get more that the 135 point " i got shot down" mission score.
So that’s why my Ju-288’s cannons felt so bad out of the blue one day. I went from sniping planes with it (and the Swedish B18s), to having difficulty hitting targets.
As for the B29/Tu-4, I’d put them at 6.7 and 7.7 respectively. The Tu-4 is the only bomber I’m actually scared of attacking due to how powerful the cannons are.
Yeah - it was September/October 2022 and all of sudden the “kill” distance of my Swedish 13.2 dropped significantly, i was unable to score hits - and the damage output went south. Usually you had 1 shot kills with them - and some time ago i hit an XP-50 7 times (6 hits and 1 crit) within the 2 km range and this guy did not even get slower.
Tu-4 and NR 23 cannons - scary thing. I remember the good old axis vs allies days when the Be-6 was highly popular - and my JP team mates got shot to pieces by the same guns. Seeing scoreboards with 5 kills for Be-6 pilots was quite common.
At lower BRs a Pe-8 with a decent player is a nightmare in case he got above 7 km - the ShVaks kills you even with a perfect approach from 12 o’clock high on your way out - up to 2 km - so i attack only from 12 o’clock high in 70-90 degree dives - otherwise these bloody 20 mms grills you…
I don’t have a source, but I have personal experience. When was the last time you played on these bombers? when I played on Tu-4 I was always like a local delicacy for jet aircraft with IR missiles, while the rest of the jet bombers had already dropped their bombs on the bases, I still fly only to the point at a speed of 600 km / h diving, my personal result is that I shot down some plane from 1.5 km, but this is when they fly straight without maneuvers, and on average, the damaging effect is 1 km maximum, in fact, I’m not a pilot, I’m a tanker and I don’t have enough skill to shoot down maneuvering targets from 2 km like a professional, if you give him at least a temporary test in ARB 7.3 BR, I think nothing terrible will happen to him, but I ask you please give 100% at least in GRB 7.3, well, it’s hard to fight against radar AA + sometimes you come across AA with IR missiles, on 8.0 the USSR does not have a normal setup, or 7.7 you play with equipment or 8.3. These heavy bombers are easy to shoot down and I agree that the 23mm guns are powerful and scary but on average players on such planes are ordinary players and these large planes are hard to control because of their size the times when bombers were flying fortresses are gone they are like heavy tanks a dying class requiring some kind of solution
I want to add about the AI bots behind the turrets, for me personally they are almost useless, they always reacted late, yes, I don’t have the best crew level, but even so, at this BR, this is not an argument, on average, players have a weak crew and cases where a player was able to shoot down 2-4 planes with turrets are rare and I will say again that I agree that the Soviet 23mm turrets are powerful, but this can be fixed by putting them just one or two steps higher than the BR B29, for example, the B29 at 6.7 BR and the Tu-4 at 7.3 because of the strong turrets in ARB, since only planes play there, you can put 7.7, although I would argue that it is necessary to remove the possibility of turboprop heavy bombers hitting planes with IR missiles, it is better to make it 2 steps lower than BR in all modes, but maybe except for AAB, since there is a lead marker there
Years ago on an inactive MS/WT account. I flew all of them, the B-29 was 6.3 in Air RB those days and had insanely high repair cost. I even flew ~ 5.000 Air RB matches in a Ju 288 just for fun without any grinding intentions.
Regarding the rest of your 2 recent posts:
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As written earlier: i fully agree that bomber BRs are way too high but since May 2020 (=introduction of respawning bases) there is simply no reason to fly out a strategic prop bomber as you can’t influence the outcome of the match by killing the enemy airfield.
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So as long as you are not a highly passionate aviation enthusiast addicted to B-29s and Tu-4s and highly experienced, you are just dead weight in your team.
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That gaijin killed the strategic bomber game play with ever increasing BRs is more than obvious. On the other hand a hell of very capable fighters went lower in BR.
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Highly experienced bomber players like fmt3 (a bomber legend) reacted by going lower in BRs. I mean this guy scored more than 10k kills in a B-29 and last time i saw him he flew a B-18B…
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It boils down that around BR 3.7 - 4.0 the chance to bomb and survive a match are for the average wt pilots (almost) non existent. And this is fully intended by gaijin, not an accident.
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So picking up specific planes (like here the Tu-4) and requesting BR changes or better ai gunners are comprehensible from a player perspective, but gaijin will simply ignore them - as countless similar threads dealing with the same issues. They are interested in quick matches so any difficulties like an adequately set BR of a well defended strategic bomber is not in their interest.
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On top of that gaijin itself defines killing other players as ultimate goal (“(S)kill bonus”) and sees wt mainly as a plain shooter. Therefore a plane developed for PvE is not really in their interest. The average wt fighter pilot is unable (or unwilling to invest time to get a perfect attack angle/position) to deal with a bomber capable to defend himself.
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Like many others i hoped that a separation of Ground and Air RB might lower the bomber BRs in Air RB, but it looks like we were (again) disappointed.
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I mean they argue that they had to lower the the BR of the F8F as it was the worst performing 5.0 aircraft. If i see Me 264s dying like flies before they drop i have some doubts about this claim.
Have a good one!
PS: Please consider using paragraphs, they significantly increase the readability of your posts. Regarding manual gunner aim: I added a vid behind the spoiler, this guy is amazing!
Hitman B-29 vid
IMP chaparral close though you just mixed up 2 letters
I dont think carpet bombing the entire map is considered as lol XD