AV-8B Harrier II: History, Performance and Discussion

Can anyone do some sustained turn rate tests for me with the AV-8B na

Full internal fuel 4xaim9 and full gun ammo at sea level

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Also use 81% throttle

Made a bug report for the AV-8B+/NA and Harrier GR.7 missing NAVFLIR HUD capabilities.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/b0JecZPBsqij

My first time making a bug report like this so hopefully it’s fine to be accepted.

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Hey,

You’re report is for two different features, as such needs to be broken into two reports, to that end we have a report for Harrier GR7 for its FLIR HUD Overlay and for the target cues. I will expand that to cover the AV-8B series as well.

Cheers

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Ah right, I thought since both are a part of NAVFLIR that they could go in the same report.

But if you have a report anyway for NAVFLIR I’ll leave it at that then. Just hope we see it added in the future.

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Please don’t link to that manual it is export restricted.

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Yeah I’ll say it here publicly, that’s absolutely my bad, I had no idea about the state of that document and had no idea I couldn’t post a link to said document.

But the availability of stuff like that document online is really confusing since it is declassified and can be found at the top of the Google results page but it still being export restricted and thus Gaijin just can’t posses it. They really need to put in big red letters “Export Restricted” or anything to make it clear without uncertainty whether or not you can talk about it even though it can be found in seconds with a simple google search. I’m honestly not surprised with how many people accidently do this with declassified but export restricted stuff. (Not talking about the people posting fully classified stuff that has obviously come from a leak since you can’t just stumble upon it from Google are just idiots.)

I nearly had a heart attack with this. Thought any second I’d be shot dead by CIA or get my house bombed. But thank you @Gunjob for explaining things.

Again my apologies.

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The is a full documentary that goes over it however lmao. In the documentary is full HUD video footage during a training sortie.

Here is part of the video when in “FLIR HUD” mode on the MFD and camera.

Here is a Gr.3 hud for the fun of it.
Screenshot 2025-01-20 172345

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Alrighty, so a few questions surrounding the last Harrier II model not added for the US: the AV-8B Day Attack.

  1. Did the AV-8B Day Attack have a different cockpit to the Night Attack and Plus, or was it the same?
    (possible cockpit image, though this is the only one I’ve found thus far)
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  1. I read that up until 1990, the Harrier IIs had a less powerful engine, that being the F402-RR-406. After 1990, Harrier IIs got the more powerful RR-408. Were any of the Day Attack Harrier IIs equipped with this engine?

Probably a different cockpit with a single MFD like the Boeing archive image you have there.
bigger version of your image

With the UK’s Harrier II’s, the right-hand MFD wasn’t added until the GR.7 version, which was the UK analogue to the AV-8B NA where Harrier got a FLIR on the nose.
The GR.5 (analogue to AV-8B DA) had a single-function circular moving map display instead of the MFD
harrgr5-7

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The Mk408 was fitted on the Night attack and up. As far as I know no day attack harriers had the Mk408. This is sort of confirmed in the Tactics manual however I have been told that manual is NATO restricted and I can not post it.

They day attack and Gr.5 had the Mk406 and Mk105 respectively.

The Gr.7 in game is a very early model of it with most Gr.7 had 100% LERX and the Mk107 making them the Gr.7A model.

Regardless of all that every Harrier 2 is missing extreme amounts of Max AOA achievable at every given airspeed. They all take to long to climb and are too slow.

Even the mythical “VIFF” has zero function in game.

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Harriers take over half a minute too long to reach top speed at sea level. All Harriers time to speed significantly too slow // Gaijin.net // Issues

I saw the bug report before I saw this lol

Hell yeah lmao. I don’t know if I am over reacting about acceleration and time to climb. I personally feel half a minute too long to reach top speed at sea level and around a minute too long to reach any altitude is significantly inaccurate and should be addressed and fixed by the devs promptly.

The 13.0 Harriers would be a lot more competitive if they could climb and get to AMRAAM speed over a minute sooner.

personally I dont have or like the 13.0 harriers (cause I like the cold war ones:AV8A AV8C) but that much of a discrepancy at that br is huge and should be fixed

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Yes my personal favorites are the first generation harriers as well. They lack significantly more performance than the Harrier 2s in War Thunder. I even have all the sources required to fix them but for some reason Gaijin just refuses to believe the sources.

hold on I got something for ya, NVM they deleted them someone made like 8 copy and paste bug reports on the abrams armor and eventually they had to tell him to stop or he would get banned guess he got banned cause the bug reports are completely gone

update found it on page 13 guy made like 8 of these looks like only 4 are still there
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/P7pccPuxXQLo

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Can Harrier II use AN/ALE-37?

To my knowledge no. But I can double check.

A2A IRST & missile guidance functionality for the AV-8B+ via LITENING AT TGP

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jS291jJ6zFv9

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