Exactly, joining up with Japan leaves less space for copy paste, but gaijin deliberately chose that and as I said since it requires money to model/tweak model the more unique variants they’d likely prefer to gain more off these as premiums, squadron or event tanks
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You’re right, but sometimes Gaijin makes a complete mess of the unique vehicles from various countries. Personally, I prefer having a small number of copy-paste vehicles.
i’d prefer if the copy and paste actually filled gaps. The Thai ground tree filled a ton of gaps, as did the air tree. Genuinely a well rounded subtree.
However, Japan still lacks competitive aircraft in the 14.0-14.3 BR range and suffers from a gap in top-tier helicopters—a void I hope Indonesia can help fill.
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the are kinda stuck on JASDF stuff until we see the lightning 2 unfortunately.
indonesia would give them SU27 and SU30 which still wouldnt be great
thailand can get them a Gripen E at least seeing as Saab recently got an order for them, will be brilliant nbut i dont see the E being able to keep up with the typhoon tho. we all will still be clubbed by the rafale no matter.
Rafale F.4 as well; the first Rafale B F.4 for Indonesia has been completed and training on it has already started.
Deliveries will take place long before Thailand would see the first Gripen E iirc.
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fair enough that would make japan the best air tree. would also make the rafale fanboys really mad so im 10000% for it
Indonesia operates the AH-64E as well, the fact we’re seeing Indonesia specifically come first with helicopters might be gaijin’s way to set up the future in that regard, plus with the R2Y2s gone that line ends at rank 3 right now, the whole line has immense space to bring in an Indonesian air tree line, the Rafale F.4 would cover for Japan nicely until we get more stuff, honestly Japan does have an option for 14.0, the F-15JM with the IRST dome on the nose, rear aspect MAWS, AIM-120C-5s and AAM-4Bs could be a good addition
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dont think they have a wiesel with the 20mm, they have a wiesel 1 with a 12.7 and a 7.62 tho
They also had a Wiesel 1A4 for testing, armed with the 20mm Rh202
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good enough for me hope to see it in game.
Got some questions for y’all, take a look at this Indonesian EBR. It has a mount located right above the the gun barrel right? but what is it for?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pl1nwc/indonesian_army_panhard_ebr_fl11_retired_in_1960s/
In Indonesian service, the EBR mount is for a machine gun (very clearly & obvious in this photo)
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Now the main issue is…What is it?
luckily there are already clear images of an EBR with the same roof mount in France, we dont know whether its for Indonesia or not, but based on the images it seems to be the same as the photo i showed earlier
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/1ctq3i0/is_this_not_a_madsensaetter_50_mg_mounted_on_a/
Some already speculated that its a Madsen-Saetter, which we do operate. The problem is that its also speculated to the the .50 calibre version. Indonesia, to my knowledge, only operated the .30-06 springfield.
With that I have two primary questions, namely:
- Is indonesia the only one to operate this kind of roof AA(?) mount?
- Do you guys think its the .50 or the .30 calibre? Or another MG entirely?
EDIT: After looking at reference images i can confidently say that its not the .30. Notice the front sight is a lot closer to the gas piston below the barrel than it is on the EBR. Example of both Mk2 & Mk3 below
If Indonesia is the only one with this mount then surely this’ll be a unique addition?
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Would be cool to see with that modification and would bring some game play improvements over her French sister. You will be able to clear some objects and scare some planes off course.
i believe only indonesia use that mounting and im not sure if its for AA purpose cuz its really weird firing position, but first of all whos control those MG ? its gunner or commander ? or just random guy sitting on top of the turret? .
and now for the gun itself, from what i found and read manual from forgotten weapon website, Madsen saetter .30 cal also have the tank version of it which completely different from infantry version ( you can read the different in img below).
from information above the 30 cal tank version will have length shorter that the inf. version (± 1.2 m), so i dont think if the 30 cal match from looks of it but still possible if the cavalry get creative to move the trigger mechanism to the back, meanwhile the .50 cal version it seems doesn’t have much information about it, some says its only prototype another say its made it through production but only few number.
if you say there’s possible another MG, from what i search a french made m2 browning called m17g (no further information about it) and also M2 browning, is possible mount on top EBR. but if those gun really Madsen saetter, me 85 percent sure its .50 cal version since the length its almost half of ebr cannon ( assume is ± 3 M ), and looks like HMG to me rather LMG.
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well folks after some research, we may actually have little bit clue about that m17g and i might be wrong about the gun made by french. so what i found that M17G is a machine gun name project ? develop by china into machine gun called QJH001, surprisingly looks similar but could be in different time line, how ever since their HMG develop from russian HMG so potentially the duska /dshk which indonesia have and documented at that time is also possible mounted on top EBR.
and i think we could have more information about that mounting from Pierre Touzin book, Les véhicules blindés français 1945-1977.
source
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/madsen-saetter-manual/
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Thats another tricky question
it would be extremely awkward to sit on top of the already small turret, and two, its vertical elevation is incredibly high, meaning you cant hit it accurately when its fully elevated up.
it could maybe swivel in place? leaving the gunner or commander to use it? but seems unlikely
maybe wired to fire from within? That’s even more unlikely
but I think the most realistic scenario is the external crew one, maybe the additional driver takes charge of the HMG?
i dont think its mean to shooting that high, its more likely to reloading the gun from turret hatch
whatever the case may be, its not gonna be impactful ingame since we have ghosts who uses the roof AA anyway
Could it be a remote weapons station but one of the very simple ones that are very mechanical?
probably not the case since we got them in the 60s, I dont think we’re sophisticated enough to have that kinda contraption
plus I dont see any holes ontop of the vehicle for wiring to go to
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Your really crawling over that thing.