Leopard 2A7V/HU is marginally better than Abrams.
Abrams fires a better round out of a shorter gun while being more mobile.
Thanks for clarification on your views in a civil manner.
All I’m saying is China already has a Q-5L which makes A-4SU pointless.
And China has an Abrams which makes the Leopard 2 pointless cause it’s not a Leopard 2A7V, and instead closer to a 2A4M.
I’m all for finding other solutions. Currently I’m looking into Korea for example and I hope to present it on the forum soon.
By 2029 when Thailand gets them
I don’t know the specific protection performance of L2SG, but the message I got from Singapore is “although L2SG mk2 is weaker than A7V, it is still good enough.” We Chinese players have also discussed the protective performance of L2SG mk2, and the final conclusion is about 600KE, so we think this is a good tank.
Personally I dont think a separate United Korea Tech Tree is coming some time soon so I wouldnt mind Gaijin adding some North Korean tanks to bolster the Chinese TT then just have a similar copy once the United Korea TT is finally implemented like the French iTO 90M.
I would love to see the Cheonma-2 (MBT2020) or the Pokpung-hos. The iglas they mount would also be very funny to use and see.
Doesn’t the leak mean that South Korea will go to the United States? In addition, in my opinion of Korean players, their first choice must be the United States, followed by China.
To be honest, I’m worried about how gaijin makes North Korean tanks. The profile of the North Korean tank is 0, which means that gaijin can do whatever he wants, and they will decide everything.
Off-Topic removed, lets keep it on track and as general reminder; please no Politics.
If I may go off tangent here.
I have some edits made on my M163 TVADS Super Vulcan to reflect new information. I also have posted 2 vehicles from the Philippines here: LAV-300 Mk.II FSV and [PH] M113A2 FSV. Check it out!
The leak said those are current plans, but plans change constantly too.
For example Singapore and Indonesia were leaked for a Japanese subtree, that didn’t happen, then a Chinese one, that also didn’t happen.
I can’t speak for any Korean players, though I asked a few and got answers from three. Reception of a subtree for China from them was not negative, more neutral I’d say.
If this reflects the general view of more Korean players this might be a way to help out China and bring both Koreas into one tree despite Gaijin seemingly not planning on a Korean tree.
Yes, they look very interesting, but with how little is known about them it is unclear if they will perform well. This could mean they have low performance, but also could mean North Korean tanks end up being fairly capable. It is very hard to predict.
The real problem is if they mess something up with the NK tanks, it’s unlikely we’ll have or anyone on the forum will have hard stats and sources to fact-check these designs.
The idea that Japan has a better SAM than China is very interesting, but not really true. China has many SAMs similar to Pantsir and many of its own powerful SAMs, while Japan has only type11. Do you still think Japan has better SAMs than China?
I never seem to have said that the Japanese air defense system is better than the Chinese one. In addition, yes, the Type 11 air defense may not be the best one, but it will definitely not be the worst either, which in my opinion is enough for the subsequent development of the Japanese air defense. What do you think are the disadvantages of Type 11 in the game?
I’d certainly like to see the Korean sub-tree enter China, but I’m pessimistic about the outcome of this matter. Also, this is a survey from Chinese players about MBT, so we really think that Chinese MBT in the game is really bad.
The downside is that Type 11 is not equipped with radar.
Didn’t Gaijin say that new air defense mechanisms are already being tested? I think that the ammunition box mechanism is designed to test such an air defense system consisting of multiple vehicles. And there are many countries that have this kind of problem, so I think Gaijin will come up with a solution.
Generally the Type 11s main issue is the fact it has no integrated radar which means search is done manually by just looking around.
It also only has 4 missiles which is by itself not too bad because of the ammo boxes making it 8, but is still a limitation compared to other SAM.
And its range is stated as “15+km”, which Gaijin will just read as 15km, still less than a Pantsir.
They are also fire and forget, which means there is no self defense capability, since it has no cannons either.
It’ll be a decent system, but no search radar from 8.3 onwards only to never match the range of other top SAM isn’t exactly the greatest outlook.
Or in fancy word: BIOLIDAR (Biological Light Ditecting And Ranging)
Correction: F-15SG is a direct upgrade, with better engines (F110-GE-129C), better radar (AN-APG63 v3 AESA), actual CAS capabilities and better/wider array of air to air missiles (AIM-9M, AIM-9X, Python 4, AIM-120C7/8)
Calling it a sidegrade is misleading and a misrepresentation of the aircraft, and putting it as a premium is just a kick in the nut.
The issue of armament should be carefully reviewed, since it is sometimes difficult to find photographic material of the armament of Singaporean fighters to corroborate that they actually use certain armaments. In the forum suggestion neither Python 4 nor AIM-120C8 are mentioned.
