Yes I get that but this tree follows the Finland (Scandinavian) thought of implementation. Its not necessarily co-developed.
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Im pretty sure the problems with China top tier can be solved with the addition of the J-10B and J-10C variants, plus the addition of the J-15 and J-17. Xiaan H-6 could very well be a top tier bomber.
Thats not even considering the ROCAF with the F-CK-1 and the other block upgrades of the F-16. Please dont say that theres nothing to be added to China Tech Tree.
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Also why are we talking about the air force in the ground subtree?
At least Gryphon C is no different from other countries. Before EFT and Rafale entered the game, they were the most competitive CAS with F16C. Plus, you’re right from OCU’s point of view, OCU doesn’t even have thermal imaging.
I mean 2 countries that are part of ASEAN
Because if they add a ground subtree they will add an air subtree
I will have to disagree. Philippines would not be able to offer much and Indonesia, while plenty, will still lack some parts particularly with top tier SPAA. Malaysia’s PT-91M Pendekar’s only place is as a premium sidegrade to the Thai T-84 Oplot-T.
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I agree with you about the Air Force, but there is really nothing to launch MBT in China. The MBT I see most likely to be of great help to China is the Oplot-P, and if it appears in the game, I think it will ease our anxiety to a great extent.
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Leopard 2A7V/HU is marginally better than Abrams.
Abrams fires a better round out of a shorter gun while being more mobile.
Thanks for clarification on your views in a civil manner.
All I’m saying is China already has a Q-5L which makes A-4SU pointless.
And China has an Abrams which makes the Leopard 2 pointless cause it’s not a Leopard 2A7V, and instead closer to a 2A4M.
I’m all for finding other solutions. Currently I’m looking into Korea for example and I hope to present it on the forum soon.
By 2029 when Thailand gets them
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I don’t know the specific protection performance of L2SG, but the message I got from Singapore is “although L2SG mk2 is weaker than A7V, it is still good enough.” We Chinese players have also discussed the protective performance of L2SG mk2, and the final conclusion is about 600KE, so we think this is a good tank.
Personally I dont think a separate United Korea Tech Tree is coming some time soon so I wouldnt mind Gaijin adding some North Korean tanks to bolster the Chinese TT then just have a similar copy once the United Korea TT is finally implemented like the French iTO 90M.
I would love to see the Cheonma-2 (MBT2020) or the Pokpung-hos. The iglas they mount would also be very funny to use and see.
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Doesn’t the leak mean that South Korea will go to the United States? In addition, in my opinion of Korean players, their first choice must be the United States, followed by China.
To be honest, I’m worried about how gaijin makes North Korean tanks. The profile of the North Korean tank is 0, which means that gaijin can do whatever he wants, and they will decide everything.
Off-Topic removed, lets keep it on track and as general reminder; please no Politics.
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If I may go off tangent here.
I have some edits made on my M163 TVADS Super Vulcan to reflect new information. I also have posted 2 vehicles from the Philippines here: LAV-300 Mk.II FSV and [PH] M113A2 FSV. Check it out!
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The leak said those are current plans, but plans change constantly too.
For example Singapore and Indonesia were leaked for a Japanese subtree, that didn’t happen, then a Chinese one, that also didn’t happen.
I can’t speak for any Korean players, though I asked a few and got answers from three. Reception of a subtree for China from them was not negative, more neutral I’d say.
If this reflects the general view of more Korean players this might be a way to help out China and bring both Koreas into one tree despite Gaijin seemingly not planning on a Korean tree.
Yes, they look very interesting, but with how little is known about them it is unclear if they will perform well. This could mean they have low performance, but also could mean North Korean tanks end up being fairly capable. It is very hard to predict.
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The real problem is if they mess something up with the NK tanks, it’s unlikely we’ll have or anyone on the forum will have hard stats and sources to fact-check these designs.
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The idea that Japan has a better SAM than China is very interesting, but not really true. China has many SAMs similar to Pantsir and many of its own powerful SAMs, while Japan has only type11. Do you still think Japan has better SAMs than China?
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