SG F-16C/D/D+ are modified to be able to use Python 4/5s, and is nearly identical to Israeli’s F-16C/D/I specs, with the inclusion and ability to use AGM-65D/G, so it wouldn’t make sense to go to Israel anyway since the aircrafts will be identical.
F-15SG uses different engines (GE-129C) from the F-15I (PW-229) but is also otherwise nearly identical to each other, so Israel has essentially identical aircrafts to receive them which is a lot more copy paste than going to other nations.
The UK can benefit from having F-16s and F-15s, but they already also have other options like India’s Su-30MKI and Eurofighter Typhoons, and also Tornadoes for CAS. Like you said, realistically as well wouldn’t make too much sense.
Idk about integration of AGM-158 to F-15Js but those might as well be insufficent use case for CAS, as well as the F-2As with only LJDAMs as the only CAS weaponry Japan uses. The F-16D/D+ and F-15SG significantly expands upon the options for CAS use, ranging from proper unguided bombs to JDAMs, LJDAMs and guided A2G missiles.
China has more than sufficient domestic aircrafts and A2G weaponry to add so it alone already doesn’t make sense. There’s still J-10C, J-11B, J-15 series, J-16 series, J-20s and J-35s, not to forget Taiwan with F-CK-1 and F-16Vs as well.
In the absolute grand scheme of things, Japan really has nothing left, and while Thailand does fill up some gaps with the likes of F-16As and JAS 39Cs (and soon JAS 39Es), it still rather lacks some options which rest of ASEAN can be added to cover more holes. Japan ground is even worse but this isn’t really the topic for it so I’ll avoid it.
Japan has a small tree for air especially when it reaches Rank 5 since starting from there, most of the aircraft is just prototype and copy paste. With the topic of ASEAN being added to china makes no sense because most ASEAN countries sees china as a bad country due to it’s doings whether on land, air, and sea. I agree that some countries in the ASEAN deserves to be placed in the chinese tech tree but there’s also some topics about NK being added to china while SK to USA which is also a reasonable suggestion but ASEAN to china is a big No No. Give japan a chance to improve their air tree as this game has now copy past vehicles for each major countries. So that’s a +1 for me.
Well if the Chinese nor Japanese purist wants’ it then it would either go to Israel or Britain like you said.
But then people will moan again because “British mains are claiming the world again” ect.
I think nobody is actually reading whats written on the proposal. ASEAN peeps do not expect that it will immediately be fully implemented like this - its just that this presents a much better expansion future for Japan which doesnt even get new vehicles during major updates anymore since everything has basically been added.
Also this is with the thinking that Thailand would get priority since Thailand is the official subtree. Like the British Tech Tree getting other Commonwealth Vehicles but still making South Africa the priority.
In addition to what has already been said about the F-16D+ and F-15SG; both are unique in their configuration. The F-16D+ (Late) has access to Python-5, possibly MAWS, an improved EW suit and various guided air-to-ground munitions that the F-2 does not have (even if we consider the future Type 12 Kai stealth cruise missile) or that even the JASDF does not use; also consider that the F-15Js do not use these (also lacking TGP capability), these are still “base F-15Cs” and - in the case of the F-15J(M) - not like the USAF’s F-15C MSIPs. The future F-15JSI might be able to use many more different munitions, however it is questionable when this variant of the F-15J will appear, if at all.
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The Airframes may not be but the Hunter F.74S and A-4SU are also unique to Singapore as well, both containing special / user specific modifications just like F-16D+ and F-15SG or even Israeli A-4s.
I must also add that we have intentionally left out the Thai JAS 39C/D as it’s purely C&P and, in terms of capabilities, offer no better value compared to the other suggested content / options, which are mostly more unique and interesting to see than “another Gripen”.
honestly I disagree that MiG-29N being premium there, it was equivalent to MiG-29G in stats and secondary weapon roster. I do aware of rumor of it to have RVV-AE integrated but no photographic proof of it being slung on weapon stores until it retired from service.
but I do know there’s a photo of AIM-9L/M integrated on MiG-29N surfaced not long ago, though it is not proven to be used extensively on MiG-29N either
The R-77 aka RVV-AE integration turned out as misinformation. It was planned but never added; in any case only the refueling probe was installed and not worth mentioning electronics and engine overhauls were undertaken as far as we know.
Would be really nice to see this picture if you can find it again.
also another Honorable Mentions could be Su-30MK2 for Indonesia (and by extension Vietnam too)
was thinking the idea of moving the heavy fighter under G8N1 line but sadly ASEAN nations don’t have heavy fighters until late 1990s-early 2000s which VPAF started with Su-27SK, buuuttt in case Vietnam is added too then VPAF Su-22 could be on rank 7?
Where is F/A-18 and Mig-29N? And Su-30MKM at Russia tree also quite inappropriate because most of the interior system are from western, like the Damocles pod and Paveway
Seriously balance is important but should not dictate everything in game.
I believe that the Su-30MKM can go to either Russia, China or if there is no better replacement, Japan
I know but it is the most less “Russia” Su-30 at the whole Su-30s family, only the fuselage and radar from Russia, other like MAW, HUD, LWS are all from western
THAT’S WHY IT SHOULD BE IN RUSSIA, IT WILL BE UNIQUE
Also Su-30SM goes to russia as normal, Su-30MKK to china as it is in the PLAAF, Su-30MKI to UK, and all we have left is the Su-30MKA
Su-30MKM can either go to russia, china, Maybe UK(preferlably not) or if you really are desperate japan(china or russia is a better option though)
