Well if the Chinese nor Japanese purist wants’ it then it would either go to Israel or Britain like you said.
But then people will moan again because “British mains are claiming the world again” ect.
I think nobody is actually reading whats written on the proposal. ASEAN peeps do not expect that it will immediately be fully implemented like this - its just that this presents a much better expansion future for Japan which doesnt even get new vehicles during major updates anymore since everything has basically been added.
Also this is with the thinking that Thailand would get priority since Thailand is the official subtree. Like the British Tech Tree getting other Commonwealth Vehicles but still making South Africa the priority.
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In addition to what has already been said about the F-16D+ and F-15SG; both are unique in their configuration. The F-16D+ (Late) has access to Python-5, possibly MAWS, an improved EW suit and various guided air-to-ground munitions that the F-2 does not have (even if we consider the future Type 12 Kai stealth cruise missile) or that even the JASDF does not use; also consider that the F-15Js do not use these (also lacking TGP capability), these are still “base F-15Cs” and - in the case of the F-15J(M) - not like the USAF’s F-15C MSIPs. The future F-15JSI might be able to use many more different munitions, however it is questionable when this variant of the F-15J will appear, if at all.
(CC @AquaUselessGod )
The Airframes may not be but the Hunter F.74S and A-4SU are also unique to Singapore as well, both containing special / user specific modifications just like F-16D+ and F-15SG or even Israeli A-4s.
I must also add that we have intentionally left out the Thai JAS 39C/D as it’s purely C&P and, in terms of capabilities, offer no better value compared to the other suggested content / options, which are mostly more unique and interesting to see than “another Gripen”.
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Oh god finally 😮
IDAF F-16AM would be researchable vehicle after F-16A OCU (SG) and F-5TH
JAS39C Gripen (e) from RTAF after F-5TH ?
But F-5TH, F/A-18D (25X), F-15SG and F-16D Plus incorrect battle rating
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I really do believe that this will be the best way forward for Japan!
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honestly I disagree that MiG-29N being premium there, it was equivalent to MiG-29G in stats and secondary weapon roster. I do aware of rumor of it to have RVV-AE integrated but no photographic proof of it being slung on weapon stores until it retired from service.
but I do know there’s a photo of AIM-9L/M integrated on MiG-29N surfaced not long ago, though it is not proven to be used extensively on MiG-29N either
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The R-77 aka RVV-AE integration turned out as misinformation. It was planned but never added; in any case only the refueling probe was installed and not worth mentioning electronics and engine overhauls were undertaken as far as we know.
Would be really nice to see this picture if you can find it again.
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it was this:
judging from the pylon it is identical to ones on BAe Hawk’s Sidewinder rail
I believe it is around early 2000’s before the major overhaul in 02-04? which had the fleet changed from soviet camo to grey paintscheme
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also another Honorable Mentions could be Su-30MK2 for Indonesia (and by extension Vietnam too)
was thinking the idea of moving the heavy fighter under G8N1 line but sadly ASEAN nations don’t have heavy fighters until late 1990s-early 2000s which VPAF started with Su-27SK, buuuttt in case Vietnam is added too then VPAF Su-22 could be on rank 7?
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Where is F/A-18 and Mig-29N? And Su-30MKM at Russia tree also quite inappropriate because most of the interior system are from western, like the Damocles pod and Paveway
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Su-30MKM is literally from russia
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Why argue when Russia has the prototype MKM no matter where Malaysia ends up?
So if MKM really offers something Russia has no equivalent to, they can still add it.
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I know but it is the most less “Russia” Su-30 at the whole Su-30s family, only the fuselage and radar from Russia, other like MAW, HUD, LWS are all from western
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THAT’S WHY IT SHOULD BE IN RUSSIA, IT WILL BE UNIQUE
Also Su-30SM goes to russia as normal, Su-30MKK to china as it is in the PLAAF, Su-30MKI to UK, and all we have left is the Su-30MKA
Su-30MKM can either go to russia, china, Maybe UK(preferlably not) or if you really are desperate japan(china or russia is a better option though)
But neither Russia nor China use the MKM?
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Quite obviously
But stuff like the Su-25K and Su-25BM are put in russia because the original was from there
China also has quite close ties with malaysia(some areas more than others)
Why? Did Russia/China need another Su-30? Japan top tier are desperately need a CAS, that is why Japan need the sub-tree
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As a Malaysian I doubt it, I would say Malaysia-PRC relations is about the same as Malaysia-Japan relations
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There are no Su-30s in game but i don’t think balancing is the most important.
F-2 can go to japan if that helps
Point is i don’t think the Su-30MKM will be the best option to save japan.
This is why the Su-30MKM didnt make into the actual aviation subtree proposal and is instead an honorable mention
Although I would prefer the MKM to be part of the larger ASEAN subtree, I dont think it would be too disruptive to have the MKM part of the Russia TT as long as its flagged as Malaysian and the ASEAN subtree still gets implemented, ideally just as how its depicted in the post.
EDIT: Well, I didnt know but it seems that the MKM is basically a “Western” upgrade to the Su-30 so I am now even more on board with the MKM being part of the aviation subtree. Might even be good enough to get the Russian players to play other nations like Japan. Also other nations having better top tier stuff than the original manufacturer happens so often in this game. Sweden has the best Leo 2, and the US has a better AV-8.
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