ASEAN Founders Aviation Sub-Tree

A +1 from me! Japan needs all the help it can get at the higher BRs

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I totally get it, believe me. I have experienced those issues myself. I look forward to it regardless, and I’m sure I’ll like whatever you’ve got cooking.

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looking at it historically, Indonesia can go to Netherlands or Japan, Netherlands dont need it since they’re already mixed with belgium, so Japan is the most likely option. The only other feasable option would be a full ASEAN line but people will cry copy-paste if that goes through. France is good enough, US and SU certainly doesnt need it. What is there to discuss when there is literally no other nations that Indonesia has close relations with.

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Not to mention that Singapore has exactly 1 military ties with China, and that’s with the bare minimum of “anti-terrorism” cooperation with land and naval. Meanwhile I can pull out a whole list of cooperation with other countries that are far more suited to be added to the game.

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alright lets stop this, this is devolving a bit too far. Clearly this disccusion is not going anywhere

end point is: cultural stuff is not tangible nor relevant, historical and geographical is

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stop discussing cultural stuff. end it.

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Mod is clearing chat up, you absolute melon.

Thank you Leroy, sorry about the mess.

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Cleaned up the thread. While it’s fine to state your opinion about a suggestion, rule 2.11. No politics is still a thing. Keep it on topic and out of politics.

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But to be fully honest i don’t really like the ideas of huge sub trees in general
Most sub trees have not much basis anyways and are just copy paste
An ASEAN sub tree would save no one; japan’s main appeal for playing is low tier air and china’s main appeal is high tier ground and maybe in the future air

fine sure i guess, if thats your opinion

my opinion is Japan needs vehicles, Korea is too controversial, ASEAN will do in its place +somewhat makes sense due to ww2

China doesnt need the vehicles, similar to Korea, the controversy for ASEAN countries would be substantial as well, and China can be supported from South Asia and maybe North Korea or Myanmar

considering the options i would go Japan over China (only thai vehicles is not enough i think)

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+1!This proposal is still only for aircraft, but it would be great to have suggestions for ground vehicles such as tanks. The Japanese tree is currently looking for tanks rather than aircraft because there are no tanks that can be added already, although there are type11s and type24s coming up, but there are no MBTs that can be added already. So I would be happy if ASEAN comes to Japan in the future for both air and land.

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Some say that one part of AESAN should be added to China, but I don’t think it should be, because China has domestic tanks or aircraft that have not yet been added. It is also possible that existing tanks will eventually be strengthened (more likely in China than in Japan, since they have more resources than Japanese tanks lol).

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ASEAN cannot save japan as though some vehicles are unique the whole thing is kinda like controversial copy paste and would just make japan high tier have no point in playing
Korea i belive in a unified TT
Myanmar can go to china for premiums
Singapore ground is another thing but singapore air we don’t need because most of it is copy paste USA
Thailand still can go to japan(and this is coming from a chinese whose grandparents live in thailand)
Malaysia air i can see getting solved in two ways:

  1. Only have Su-30MKM, premium in USSR
  2. Put in china or UK
    Phillipines and indoneisa air just go to japan

I’m not at top tier japan so i may be wrong but i belive thailand, indonesia and phillipines along can improve japan massively

Singapore has distinctive aircraft such as F-15SG and F-16D+, but are they C&P?

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to be fair there are a couple unique additions that Myanmar can provide

T-72S, 2K22 tunguska, AML-90, EE-9 Cascavel, and there are also some more unique vehicles like the BTR-3U/4E, or the MT-LBMSh, hell even the prototype MMT-40

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So far for singapore the most unique i can find are the F-16D+ and F-15SG and i can find several replacements for any potential TTs singapore can be in:
Israel: F-16D they already have, F-15SG they get a F-15 strike eagle next update anyways
UK: F-16D they can get an eurofighter, F-15SG they are getting a tornado next update
Japan: F-16D they can get the F-2, F-15SG i think the F-15J can also carry AGM-158s or maybe the thai air force JAS39s can also fufil the same role
China: F-16D they can have the J-11B, J-10C or F-CK-1, F-15SG they can have the J-16
Realisticly speaking only F-15SG may need to get added unless i have overlooked something that makes them unique

Would really like that
im changing my comment on myanmmar, still cannot fill much TT holes but can be good premiums

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SG F-16C/D/D+ are modified to be able to use Python 4/5s, and is nearly identical to Israeli’s F-16C/D/I specs, with the inclusion and ability to use AGM-65D/G, so it wouldn’t make sense to go to Israel anyway since the aircrafts will be identical.

F-15SG uses different engines (GE-129C) from the F-15I (PW-229) but is also otherwise nearly identical to each other, so Israel has essentially identical aircrafts to receive them which is a lot more copy paste than going to other nations.

The UK can benefit from having F-16s and F-15s, but they already also have other options like India’s Su-30MKI and Eurofighter Typhoons, and also Tornadoes for CAS. Like you said, realistically as well wouldn’t make too much sense.

Idk about integration of AGM-158 to F-15Js but those might as well be insufficent use case for CAS, as well as the F-2As with only LJDAMs as the only CAS weaponry Japan uses. The F-16D/D+ and F-15SG significantly expands upon the options for CAS use, ranging from proper unguided bombs to JDAMs, LJDAMs and guided A2G missiles.

China has more than sufficient domestic aircrafts and A2G weaponry to add so it alone already doesn’t make sense. There’s still J-10C, J-11B, J-15 series, J-16 series, J-20s and J-35s, not to forget Taiwan with F-CK-1 and F-16Vs as well.

In the absolute grand scheme of things, Japan really has nothing left, and while Thailand does fill up some gaps with the likes of F-16As and JAS 39Cs (and soon JAS 39Es), it still rather lacks some options which rest of ASEAN can be added to cover more holes. Japan ground is even worse but this isn’t really the topic for it so I’ll avoid it.

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Appreciate the mention!

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Japan has a small tree for air especially when it reaches Rank 5 since starting from there, most of the aircraft is just prototype and copy paste. With the topic of ASEAN being added to china makes no sense because most ASEAN countries sees china as a bad country due to it’s doings whether on land, air, and sea. I agree that some countries in the ASEAN deserves to be placed in the chinese tech tree but there’s also some topics about NK being added to china while SK to USA which is also a reasonable suggestion but ASEAN to china is a big No No. Give japan a chance to improve their air tree as this game has now copy past vehicles for each major countries. So that’s a +1 for me.

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