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Again, the article is in italian and, to sum it up, finally the CIO OTOMelara delivered the first production version of the C-2 Ariete after years of waiting.
The first vehicle, featured in the presentation, is in its “naked” state, but, by the end of the month, we should get additional informations about what this first variant is supposed to equip.
The only certain thing is that this first batch will still have the 120/45 cannon as the new 120/55 is still under test.
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I’m surprised their not going with a 130mm, 140mm or their own 127mm. Seems like the Challenger 3 all over again. Upgrading a tank that is 40 years out of date to the standards of a tank that is 20 years out of date.
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120mm is very much the standard for all NATO MBTs. The C2 upgrade is meant to extend the lifespan of these vehicles without costing too much. The objective was to both restart our industry in this sector and to show that we’re able to work (alongside what’s being done for IMBT) for a potential future with MGCS (of which we’ve already made mentions in our DPP document).
130mm is something that we left open for IMBT in the future, probably starting off with 120mm and then, if the trend goes towards 130mm, upgrade it.
The only issue about this upgrade is that it’s late, but much better later than never since we do need to somehow equip the tank regiments with something before MGCS kicks in.
By “120mm is very much the standard” I mean that at the moment the only cases in which you see more than 120mm is prototypes or technical demonstrators (not all of them). Therefore, 120mm is the standard.
I won’t even comment on 140mm, just LMAO.
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From what I understand the C2 still has the 120/44 but the instrumentation is identical to the Centaur the engine goes from 1000hp to 1500hp as it will have in combination kitwar and PSO together to maintain its mobility
Yes, for now what we know is that the gun is the same.
The main changes are:
- 1500hp engine
- new transmission
- better tracks
- Centauro II electronical system
- fully electrical turret drive
- ability to equip both the WAR and PSO kits
- a new 12.7mm mg ( which is always nice to have )
Still waiting for full confirmation as the CIO will update its brochure and send new info now that the first production model has been delivered.
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and better brakes, whatever that means in numbers.
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Is there any new information that could help us improve those in the game?
Nope, those are still under heavy national secret as the AMV will still be operational along side the new IMBT.
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Just a simple though.
If they’re still planning to use the WAR kit I don’t think it just add those 20mm of protection for a 5t plate (probably the steel shape that encloses the composite armor can alreay add that level of protection).
Let’s say that the WAR kit in game is a bit…underperforming.
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At least a number/detail!
In later parts of the upgrade is it know if they will add the 120/55?
Also does the new transmission give extra speed or is it just better reliability
Also seeing as this is probably one of the only options for Italy’s next ingame tank (other than AMV PT2 and giving current AMV WAR+PSO) gaijin NEEDS to fix Ariete’s armor on turret and hull and also give the WAR kit proper values.
They changed the weight but kept armor values the same, that is not how the world works. More weight but same area means that it would be more dense, and thus stronger. Also comparing the size of the WAR kit which weighs more but is smaller than the PSO kit also doesn’t make any logical sense.
They need to either fix Ariete or give Kontakt and Relikt the same 20mm protection value. Then the Russian tanks wouldn’t be worth anything because DM53 can easily pen them without the ERA
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currently the tank shown doesn’t have the L55 cannon simply because it’s still in testing (the cannon) but the production ones will have the modern cannon.
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in theory it is rumored that they want to further improve it in the C3 Ariete version with 120/45 barrel and APS system and the final version which would be Ariete X focused mainly on the attack potential with the 120/55 and a 30mm remote control turret
That’s a bit of a stretch.
The C2 is the last version of the Ariete and will implement all knowledge from the Centauro II and the future IMBT ( if possible ).
The best it will get in the future is the 120/55 gun, the remote 12.7mm turret of the Centauro II, the soft kill APS and some updates on its software to accept better LWR and RWR.
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I don’t think it will be abandoned so soon for the KF-51 and then since it is a totally Italian tank it has no constraints, on the contrary the KF-51 being a joint project does not have such room for maneuver but this is my idea so I could be wrong.
as we say in italy, most likely can end with tarallucci and wine, what a beautiful country
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Strv 2000 is weeping.
I thought that VULCANO was the artillery round (same as used on 127mm and 76mm for the navy and 155mm for the army PZH2000). This one has the laser and in the future IIR guidance.
The other guided round is DART, I don’t know if that one will be implemented on the new gun. For now as far as I know DART is only for the navy on 76mm and 127mm. The only time it was ever really tested for army service is with the DRACO.
Here is a presentation from Leonardo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q4J7HAhBoU
They talk about new L/55 and Vulcano 120. (Test fire of the gun is at 21:00 minutes and Vulcano 120 information is at 25:00 minutes) The video is kind of long, they mostly talk about the gun and implementation and other stuff.
Quick Edit: Now that I think about it, the IR version could in theory be used against planes. The Vulcano has the same rocket and DART (according to this article: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/leonardo-vulcano-120-mm-ammunition-guided-indirect-fire-capability-for-mbts). But it wouldn’t be as reliable because I don’t think it has proxy and it obviously isn’t made to intercept planes at high Gs. Unfortunately right now I don’t think Vulcano 120 exists in IR form yet, its just the laser guidance for now.
Would be hard to implement in-game for its actual real life purpose (guided artillery), but the IR version could be added to C2 to give some theoretical anti air performance.
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I am all for adding both the PT2 and PT3/C2 Arietes but we MUST get improved armor. The war kit on the turret should resist most rounds at top tier. As is the arietes are 11.0 tanks at best.
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Also the base armor should be improved a lot
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