I agree with you that the main problems are due to BR compression
Go ahead and put 9.3+ instead of 10+ as transonic aircraft with radar afterburners and missiles already exist at BR 9.3 like the Mi 21S or MIG-21F . Extremely fast aircraft with missiles capable of destroying Aries safely hit and run tactics are the same hit and run knowing that no one can keep up with you.
The second engine functions even better than am afterburner, I’ve caught up to mirage F1Cs with it on.
Also at 9.3 there is no need for flares especially on a vehicle as good as the ariete.
Avoid A10 and you will be fine, you can dodge any other missile.
Even with A10s, you can bait them to fire the 9Ls at long range, them close in
When they readded the ground belts saggitario 2, I played it again to have it fully spaded again. I pulled 2 five kill matches, these planes are totally fine and the fact you are complaining about them shows a skill issue.
Focus your time on more important matters in Italian tech tree like Tornado missing armament or Ariete tank armor
Apart from the fact that you don’t see the missile coming, you don’t have an alarm system to warn you that it is coming, and then in the game the trail of the missile cannot be seen, and finally if you are in the middle of the fight you don’t realise it because you should also have eyes in the back of your head.
You just proved that your argument is fallacious, focus on games more within your reach like playing cards is for you man ;)
Have you played the Ariete or saggitario or just ragebaiting?
Because it seems you have a major skill issue
??? Not a single plane at this tier has MAWS what is your point? Also you can see the trail of a 9L.
You must be the worst player in warthunder if you say by any means that the Ariete is in anyway bad.
I regularly up tier it to 12.0 with friends and I still pull 3 kills per game
Saggitario 2 i already unlocked it, but i refuse to play it because it’s at BR 9.3. when it should be at BR 8.7.
People have already pointed out that it shouldn’t be at 9.3.
The only players who want it to be at BR 9.3 are incompetent players who have skill problems.
Dude you just proved you are just a troll…I never said Ariete is a poor plane, don’t put words in my mouth I didn’t say.
I said you can’t notice the missile there’s a difference, troll someone else I think everyone here has figured out that we have that you are a poor player who is afraid Ariete and Saggittario 2 will get a lowered BR
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You are chosing the fight an argument with the wrong people, just admit that you didn’t have the information at the time and try to do more research next time.
I’ve spaded the whole tech tree (I chose to show top tier here because it takes much longer to spade than lower tier, but it is still spaded), and out of all these planes one of the best was saggitario 2 and ariete
Yeah there’s no way it’s worse than a Mig-17PF (which should be 9.0). The Ariete is the single best subsonic dogfighter in the entire game, and the only thing that comes close is the Saggitario.
The only people who want them moved down are exactly the same.
If you it to be blatantly OP, go play sim where the Saggitario is 8.0, and Ariete is 9.0.
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I’ve done ground and helis also working on naval (yes I have no life) right now
That will lead to the Ariete never dying, because it will always be able to dodge any guns, and it will dodge many missiles.
The Ariete is the single best subsonic aircraft in the game by a long shot, and it’s BR needs to reflect that. Don’t use BR compression as a justification for it to move down in be OP. There is also more to a plane than what you listed, because your logic puts the F-86K, Lim-5P, or F3H-2 as better aircraft, which is untrue.
You don’t need a radar, you don’t need missiles, and you don’t need an afterburner. The Ariete relies on raw flight performance, and it’s BR reflects that.
You haven’t. You’ve presented moot points that were immediately refuted by quite possibly the most credible Ariete player in the game, and your only response was “You’re a hypocrite that won’t stop complaining!!1!” and attacking my skill personally without ground.
Oh yeah, and you did it again here anyway!
Once again, back up your unfounded statements. Quote my exact “excuses” that I’ve apparently made.
I don’t… Either you’re illiterate or have some cognitive disability, but ARB isn’t “acade”.
The current AAB high score is 30 kills, that isn’t feasible or even possible in ARB, in which I had 12 kills.
If by “years ago” you mean last March, in which the Ariete was still 9.3, sure. Abandon some more of your nonexistent credibility by being wrong.
Hell, this was my kill log. I’m sure you definitely want it at 9.0 when you can already outclass every single 8.3 in the game.
The Ariete being 9.3 isn’t a “problem”, nor is there any reason for it to be any other BR. Why don’t you play it a bit and tell us exactly what’s wrong with the current placement.
Proven*
I’ve proven that it’s already blatantly overpowered when downtiered at 9.3, with current 9.3s and 9.7s only barely being able to compete with it.
It’s an argument as idiotic as “The Me-163 should be 6.0 because it faces missiles!!1!”
Yeah, not reading that. Either acknowledge my statements or know your place.
Yes, I compared your most played gunfighter to the Ariete in question. Seeing as you’re acting out of profound incredulity and don’t have an Ariete, both your words and your actions are irrelevant to the point. You know nothing about the aircraft, nor have you even looked at its TT counterpart. You have no bearing on its BR.
And pray tell, what happens when you run away in a MiG-21S?
Oh right, nothing! Now you’ve accomplished distancing yourself from the fight. What are you gonna do now, burn some fuel? Sit at 10km and be useless for the next 20 minutes?
I know the tactics, I’ve fought them and set records against them. I have enough experience to tell you that running is nothing more than a prolonged loss. In no way is “JuSt FlY aWaY fRoM tHe ArIeTe” a tactic, especially not in an aircraft that drains through fuel as fast as a MiG-21S.
The second you land, you’re dead.
Either substantiate your argument or leave. You’re about as braindead as Vamilad.
If a “debate” to you is flagrantly ignoring the opposing side’s arguments and dodging every refutation while denying that you’re losing your argument, you don’t deserve to have the internet.
Thank god I have this publicly displayed on my profile! It’s a shame trogs like you can’t read.
Take a hint, you have 4 people refuting you arguments and all you’re doing is deflecting and silencing.
I advise you to read the comments here and you will understand why it should not be so high on BR
That topic is about the Saggitario 2, which is worse than the ariete. 2 of the 3 planes mentioned in that first post are 10.7 too, which makes the topic slightly outdated.
In the same thread, you are advocating for the Saggitario 2 to be 8.7? How on earth is it not considerably better than the Mig-17PF/CL.13s/any other 8.7 plane? You’re also refusing to compare it to anything but higher BR planes, and you blame the plane being bad rather than the real answer BR compression. It’s also hard to take some users there seriously because they paint the Mig-15bis as a better plane, which is simply untrue.
It not having Aim-9bs equivalents like other 9.0s isn’t justification, when it is the best subsonic dogfighter in the game. It not having a radar doesn’t mean much, since most other things don’t have one, and no radars are good around that BR too. It not having an afterburner doesn’t mean much, because most other 9.0s don’t have one, and the ones that do aren’t super good planes in the first place. It not being supersonic doesn’t matter much, because nothing will be able to kill you in the first place, even at 9.3. And if it were 9.0, it would be objectively better in numerous ways than every single other 9.0 aircraft.
Go play sim if you want to have an OP Saggitario/Ariete. And please respond to the points that people are making without just stating your opinion again.
