Are UK Tanks and Planes worth grinding? Looking for advice on sniping performance and UK vs US comparison

Well maybe in terms of mobility chally’s do underperform a bit. Armour and survivability seem about right(maybe even a bit better than irl). Reload is overperforming.

Hm, apologies then. Seems my view of it was a bit outdated. Still, the typhoon mostly performs well. It doesn’t have much issues with going cold. And things like R-77’s and MICA’s can just be 180’d since gaijin just heavily nerfed them with excess drag.
CM counts and ESM not being in the game is a problem for many other jets anyway.

Though I agree that gaijin should add FF brimstones, since now there is a bunch of new scary SAMs (which still cost 70 to 90 SP for some reason).

Pretty much all flight models in this game are overperforming.

Thats the only part like right (at least after it gets regen steering)

Underperforming loads

Like the Mantlet armour should be around 500mm
Its missing most of its spall liners
etc etc

Its underperforming. It should ahve a 20-28 round ready rack, it has a 4 round ready rank because Gaijin. Reloads after that are a balancing decision by Gaijin. But 5 seconds is perfectly reasonable reload time for the CR2.

In the context of CAS, its A2G needs work

  • Brimstone 2s instead of Brimstone 1s (can retain SAL only)
  • GNSS Spear-3 for something like a GBU-39, small, spammable weapon
  • AGM-88C should be upgraded to AGM-88E and we should have 6 not 2 (also could get ALARM)
  • They also just made up a fake nerf for the PW4 that needs to be resolved.

A2A is okay…

But there are plenty of issues to be addressed and its not goign to be long before it will need better missiles to stay in the fight. C5s are barely adequate

The issue is the state of BOL. Its currently artificially nerfed to an extreme degree

BOL Chaff should be more effective than standard calibre chaff, but is currently 1/4 the strength

(though until CMs are modeled on an individual basis, should return to being standard calibre size)

BOL Flares arent flares at all, and should have a luminoisty closer to a large flare, but instead are small than a standard calibre.

(BOL flares should be uniquely modeled though as they should visually be different to normal flares and do have a shorter burn time, their luminoisty then should be set to reasonably represent their IRL strength)

Doesnt just affect the Typhoon, Harriers and Tonkas are struggling quite a bit with this.

Yeah. They would be nice. Even just with modified IIR code.

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In some aspects, yes.

But ITR and STR are below IRL specs for the Typhoon, and the instructor is still a bit… wierd… So you waste a lot of energy in terms with the tail doing random things

Then its basically impossible to report, but the drag at high alt is probably too high as well.


There isn’t really anything in the UK ground tree worth grinding. If you want a challenge, a true challenge.
Albeit, unless you are a true main of Japan, you won’t be viewed as such by us. But we will appreciate the numbers.

That said, the recent penetration changes made the UK’s vehicles a whole lot worse. Not everyone may have that feeling or effect, but it’s still there.

Overall, in my honest opinion, the UK, to a lesser degree, has the same issues that Japan has; both are very neglected—leaving anti-air or other parts of the line lackluster. Despite suggestions, etc of proof and documentation saying otherwise.

Just don’t play the US. Not cause it doesn’t have good vehicles; it does. But because their players, just like Germany, live in mothballs and lack the actual ability of common sense, situational awareness, and tactical prowess, and prefer to aggressively push toward the enemy without much care. Even if the Enemy outguns, outperforms, outranges, and is bunkered down.

Similarly, what the Soviets do as well, though they prefer to mass zerg rush, you knowng they will highly likely die.

Now, if I had to stretch this comment and say what vehicles are enjoyable, the Matildas and the Archer are underrated; there I said it. I enjoy the Archer.

I’ve given up on UK ground after this update. Got something like 50k RP into the Aussie Abrams only for them to ass pull another tank right in the way, and there’s no way in hell I’m grinding GRB that hard before the link becomes permanent. I’ll stick with my CRs and just go play a tree actually worthwhile instead.

Top tier UK just get matched better armor nations while having worse armor/darts.
Simple as it is.

Stick with 10.7 if you dont mind annoying uptiers, or 10.3 if you do.

9.3 is also great fun.

Just consider the tree has ended after 10.7, its not worth the time or effort with it so artificially nerfed

I have no interest in anything older than the chieftain mk10 sadly

Nor do I really, but thats the 50% of the 9.3 MBT lineup right there. Coupled with the Chieftain 900, is a great combo. They need some work, but they are both really fun tanks.

Guess what I also don’t have the energy to grind 😵‍💫

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I started WT with GB ground and im still rank 3 1.5 years later.

If it wasnt for my friend blagging me to not quit i wouldnt even be here.

Air isnt any better after spits either. Horrible experience throughout. GB has to of ended alot of war thunder players

I started playing this game a decade ago 🫠

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If i ever want to really beat the WT addiction il just force myself to play GB

Id already be playing war dogs by now if i didnt have to drop £1k on upgrading PC 😫

Its not even the aircraft fault here imo.

The issue is just stupid amounts of compression and some truly idiotic BR decisions. For example, British Venom is 8.7 with just guns for A2A. French one is 8.0 with A2A AAMs and a full BR higher than the Sea Venom. the only real FM difference between these 3 Venoms is that the FB.4 is lighter due to not having a radar, and so the associated advantages. Enough to justify being 0.3 higher than the Sea Venom, but not 1.0 higher

Same can be applied pretty much to every single rank V and VI aircraft bar a select few. Either over BRed or struggling like hell because of under BRed aircraft or just bad compression

Then we have a big gap of fighters, but some great ground attackers, just ground attackers are hated by the devs and have no meaningful role in most air modes (even in NE, they dont really because the focus is on nukes, not conventional A2G weapons)

Then VIII and IX are decent.

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My quick take of GB is

The unique stuff is just bad. Javelin, a jet that you have to keep fast and has nothing over what it faces other than missiles gets caught by most of lobby even if stay fast so basically food

All Hunters- over BR’d and out performed by every nation. 10.0 is now just RIP

Swift, the one that actually looked fun. Spend 2 hours wondering why the missiles dont track like on the videos- eventually learn they have been completely broken for years never to work again- keeps same BR though

Then theres the jets that turn well but are so slow= Zeros that get out zero’d by every nation

Lightning F6 probably the only jet here that isnt just spanked all over every game

Then its just dead. Harriers FM just kills it in the end but still fun dunking on people. Jaguar- so under powered (engine) and the 10.7 is under powered and over BR’d

Phantoms- better in other trees but same BRs- pointless

Tornado 12.0- slaps
Grippy missed the missile buff so is now relegated
EF awesome, best jet in game

The rest- Meh to really Meh

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FS. I learned fox 3 in the GB Grippy. Another case of its got something rare - but the rare thing is outclassed

Thinking about, correct me if Im wrong here Morvan. GB dont have the best version of anything or anything at any BR, that others dont have that is worth the grind for.

EG Ayit, J7E, Jak Viggen, Doritos etc. Every other nation seems to have something

Does it actually take prize of worst nation in the game?

No They have been power crept out of existence by the big 3 and the BRs that Britain used to shine have with early APDS offering a great alternative to APHE and HESH being a fun useable round are long gone.
British tanks are slow, but have or did have good fire power, penetration and accuracy.

Now though they are 3rd/4th choice at most BRs. With even the Top tier Sep V3 missing the best round it could have and the additional armour the US model has. The Typhoon being one of the worst CAS options, AJAX with the optics of a 2001 phone camera and Skysabre is underperforming but fine I guess.