One of the reasons why I play this game is filling the Tech-tree cabinet with spaded vehicles.
And now I am trying to spade Mirage III sisters in French TT after I spaded israel cousin Shahak.
and feels this is a nonsense level of stock modifications, just like plenty of other rank 7 planes do.
AIM-9B is an unreliable missile since it can’t even kill an F-104 if an enemy has self-awareness, because it doesn’t need flares to defeat the 9B.
R.530 is slightly more reliable because of being SARH, but it quickly gets worthless when I need to fight against American jets, which are obsessed with RWR and countermeasures.
Also, there is no option to ‘mindless bombing’ as long as Mirage III’s payload options are dogshit.
(I don’t like bombing in a fighter jet, but I am well aware that it is helpful when I can destroy a base with bombs for saving GE)
I feel like this is going to be a long journey, as long as I need to fight against shamelessly underated J-7D with bare DEFA hands…
Fellow French veterans, can you share some fancy tips when you fly with Mirage III stock?
According to Shahak’s experience, it would be great if I could access Shafrir 2 or AIM-9D level of missiles before unlocking Magic 1, or if Magic 1 weren’t a tier 4 modification module.
Not a french veteran and not got it unlocked, but maybe Sim? Would allow you to sneak up on people, Quite a few subsonics at 10.0/10.7
At least thats my plan if/when I get down to them and what i’ve done in similar aircraft (did most of the FA2 stock grind with only 9Ls and no AMRAAM in SB)
Though does sound rough only having 9Bs at that BR. Sounds like a classic example of a legacy stock loadout. Especially the 3E when the stuff like the Jaguar GR1A gets Aim-9Gs stock at the same BR
Yeah… I thought I was bored with playing WT, and now my heart is getting attacked by Mirage III. :|
Gaijin really need to get rid of Legacy stock loadouts.
At least I can also use R.530, unlike Mirage 5BA does :/
Yeah, one of the worst is the Jaguar GR1/Jaguar A/E which iirc, gets nothing stock. No bombs, No rockets and no AAMs. Why Gaijin does that is beyond me.
I get they have a financial insentive to make stock grinds slightly frustrating, but there is frustrating and then there is near impossible
“Free Magic 1?? What about crying for Free Rafale then?”
Missing the bad old times when we couldn’t even have a free repair kit and FPE on the ground, and when free Abrams was not a joke. :/
/s
I think it wouldn’t hurt much if we could have a Rank 8-ish loadout in Rank 7 or lower.
(mixture of 1 R.550 Magic 1 and 1 AIM-9B, just like what we can do in the new Harrier GR.7 stock)
Keep your speed up, keyboard tapping is your friend.
9Bs really should only be used at high altitudes.
Can’t think of much else for now.
Prioritize using guns with your missiles as the backup weapon, and with that know the path out of situations before entering them.
spaded the 3C in three games, its legit one of the best gunfighter for the BR, im kind of torn between it and the f8e (the french one is a bit tricky because no CMs). If i were you id get up at the start, get your free r530 kill since that thing is legit cracked up high, and then use the godly reverse ability of the mirage to gun people who foolishly merge with you, defas hit like a freight train and the air belts melt everything once you unlock them. If your team melt it starts to become dicey, usually i just RTB and j out, i cant be arsed to carry games 1v8 in a flareless jet. But if your team pulls their weight you can just get in there and gun 4 guys down in 30 seconds since you pull AoA out the ass. You also get a LOT of ammo so you can spray a bit, always helps.
aim9bs suck ass, i think i used them as flares against su25s and a10s when i was spading it, try to buddy up with a friend so they can help out if you over extend too much.
imo the only real competition you have are mig21 variants and the ariete (fuck ariete players)
According to Shahak’s experience, I know fully upgraded Mirage 3’s only bad point is being flareless
And I am quite hyped to see spaded IIIC with Magic 1
But for now, at this rate, I am going to be just another MiG hater.
Fight against either J-7D with PL-5B or MiG-21bis which spamming R-60M is hopeless :/
yeah unfortunately if one those gets within 2km of you and youre in a low energy state? your match is over, so you def try to focus these two early game because they will make your life hell late game, the good thing is that once you close the gap and deny them aspect you have all the tools to dogfight them and win (prolonged might be a bit more iffy ngl)
also, fear the a10s, those things will absolutely piss all over your cereals lol
So to have them unlocked several years ago when they faced much worse missiles I would tell you to play them purely in boom and zoom with if you are well placed a little dogfight, however given how the situation has changed since then it is probably no longer possible.
On the other hand, having recently replayed them in simulation, and if I can tell you one thing it’s that they are incredible planes in this mode currently, if you play them on their speed as an interceptor it’s one of the best planes in the Br, I think that in two games you can unlock all your modifications
Yeah, If I tries Boom and zoom tactics in current situation, I guarantees that enemy will just place PL-5B or AIM-9L into my ass. for free kill.
hmmm… And, another opinion about playing it in air-sim instead.
Maybe it is true that old jets with outdated legacy stock loadouts are not suited well for current ARB system :d
just shoot the SPAA with DEFA. probably earns more than bombing anyway given your load
light pillboxes also give good rewards and mission points (perfect for event grind)
and you can equip rocket pods which are useful for this task. Even better if your plane has CCIP. Acts as flare too, esp if your plane has none or has bad flare pattern like kfir canard (mirage 5 based)
I don’t think it will be a good idea if we think Mirage III has only 250 rounds of 30mm ammunition (125 rounds per cannon)
But I agree that shooting them will be easy RP as long as they don’t move.
Naaah… as long as SNEB 23 pods get unlocked in tier 3
I think I don’t need to use rocket pods long enough to spend RP on them.
Also, IIIC don’t have CCIP for any ground ordnance as long as it is primarily built for an interceptor.
Mirage IIIE has CCIP for rocket, but it also comes with a countermeasure pod.
Thanks for the comment anyway.
I think I can give it a try when I go for Kfir C.7.
Yeah I’ve spaded the 3C when it came out and never really played the 3C or 3E since the F1 arrived. I’ve tried going back to the 3C when it went down to 10.0, but the all aspect missiles and constant J-7D spam is painful. For the 3C, there’s nothing more than dogfighting until magic 1s (although the 530 are pretty good at high altitude when the radar gets a decent lock), and while the ammo pools are limited, ground pounding pillbox entrenchments. Those are easily dealt with the 30mm, only 1 or 2 round burst is enough if you aim well, and you can easily get a lot of points that way, although you’ll end up very vulnerable to air threats since you’ll expend all your precious gun ammo. 3E does fair a bit better with the CMs to do a bit of the Boom and Zoom the Mirage 3 used to excel at, and the rocket CCIP helps a lot for ground pounding.
And every enemy plane which has a good IR missile will be drooling when watching my 3C’s engine nozzle.
It would be really great if Magic 1 is not locked behind the tier 4 modification wall.
Theeen I can worry less about grinding 3E’s stock then. XD
Oh btw if youre thinking about the F1C? Avoid for now, the constant f18 premium spam means you automatically get uptiered to 12.7 where the F1C is simply utterly useless, your kit is simply bad, and your flight performance is no longer competitive (the f18 will absolutely clap you in a 1v1, dont even try it).
id wait for 1/2 months for the wallet tourists to fuck off before using it, when youre not in uptier hell its a fun plane to fly
