If by other nations you mean italy and france, yeah lol…
At the same BR the leopard 2a7v does everything the t90m and more but also much better. I wouldn’t take the t90m over the bvm honestly, it’s real advantage over it only the better turret (and some gimicks like commander thermals and LWR). Biggest con is the reload to me then the reverse combined make it extra painful, while also having one of the less penning shells and the worst gun depression on top.
It’s a pretty meh tank for top tier. Not very mobile, easy to hit weakspots, meh firepower, pretty easy to take out.
It’s about equal to the SEPv2, which in turn are worse than the SEPv1, Type 10s and T-80BVM which in turn are far behind the Leopard 2A7V and Strv 122s.
This is over victimizing, its much more then bein punching bag.
İtaly, France, Israel and Britian.
This, you guys always comparing to Leopard2A7V or Strv122 while compeletly ignoring other nations, Russia doesnt have to be best in every category.
T90M might be not top dog but sure as hell its not trash or bad by any means.
İf you think its a meh tank i recommend playing Arietes,Leclerc’s or Merkava’s at top tier.
All of them has bigger weakspots, average mobility while basically bein glass cannon.
İts better then SEPV2 in terms protection and gund handling.
Again comparing to Strv122 or Leo2A7V doesnt make T-90M bad, there are multiple tanks that are worse then T90M on many section.
Abram’s do have a type of spall liner within the armor, and gaijin has accepted it, and the turret ring. But the issue is how they implement the spall liner for the Bradly the basically gave it 2 or 3 small pieces and called it a day even though it has a completely covered liner.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/BcMSgWYhwd5k
Every other tank out reloads it. Italian and french tanks are subpar and shouldn’t be top tier to begin with. Israel is meme. UK challies are somewhat ok, they are getting buffed soon. So at best it’s equal to that. It doesn’t have to, can’t and will not be the top dog regardless. But if you haven’t noticed a trend where the add german vehicles 1-2 years earlier than they should, I don’t know what else to add. Spall liners have to be the worst addition to this point, since they work like black holes (so do fuel tanks in game but whatever).
You mean like spaced armor?
Yes that is true
I have in fact played the all Merkavas that are in game. I would easily pick play the Merkava Mk.4M over the T-90M, any day of the week.
And the SEPv2 has far better mobility and better firepower. Which is why I rated them around equally.
Sep V2 does have better mobility and firepower but that thing cannot take a hit any pin will either cripple you or kill you, or get one shot by the shot trap on top with HE, the T90m can at least possibly eat a round without being instant killed or crippled. it. Ether ways I still take T-80bvm over both.
İ dont know if you noticed but current Leopard2AV7 is compeletly butchered when it comes to armor protection, if you think this is too much then wait for it when it gets real values with Dm73.
Also you can blame Gaijin on that part, they could’ve simply added proper armored Leo2A5 and 2A6 instead adding best German MBT with butchered armor protection.
You can complain to Russian Goverment for that.
Works for T-90M as well so it shouldnt be problem for you.
Then its a personal choice and claim which doesnt change the fact that Merkava’s are worse then T90M on many categories.
Since i have all Merkava’s i would easily prefer T90M.
Considering it has much more ground pressure it doesnt have better mobility aside from Top speed and reverse.
Doesnt matter too much considering even DM33 is more then enough when it comes aiming weakspots, İf i can perform at top tier With Type-90’s while using JM33 im pretty sure T-90M with 3BM60 is more then enough to do the job.
Yet it’s still miles better lol. Fixing it will make it even stronger than it already is.
I agree
I don’t main a single nation to have bias, sorry to break it to you.
Show me single reply where i stated you’re Russian main or fan boy in this thread, im waiting.
As it should be considering T-90M added with its real armor values.
Your wording implied it, if not then I retract my statement.
My words has nothing to do with that claim.
İ just simply pointed that T-90M’s Spall Liners are also black hole which should work for you when you’re using.
Bvm with relikt isn’t far off as that thing is concerned. Relikt for some reason seems to act like a spall liner but better
İ guess you’re talking about Side armor bags, yea those additional Era kits also works as Spall Liners sometimes but its not consistent compare to proper Spall Liners.
yes
Classic assuming what other people play, it’s boring tbh. I haven’t even researched the USSR 11.3 tanks yet, but I have toptier in Germany, Sweden, Japan, China and France.
I mostly play Sweden, Germany, Japan and Italy these days, with some USSR in between, but only at 10.3 and 11.0. I played alot of Sweden toptier shortly before and alot after the the last update dropped, from stock up. Russian tanks are NOT a problem to kill, even with DM33. Get your head out of your butt and learn where to aim for which enemy.
Armor is okay, yet you have the lower plate that’s butter and the gun mantlet that is easy to hit, disabling the breech and killing a crew member, if not two when you’re lucky.
Gun handling is below average. Turret rotation is straight average, vertical targeting angles are bad. That’s for both negative and positive gun elevation. I don’t know how you get the impression that it’s “one of the best”, when it outshines almost noone.
“one of the best thermals” yeah so does anyone else that isn’t a Leopard or Abrams, and even some of those have good thermals. The difference between gen 2 and gen 3 thermals is small, and doesn’t matter on most maps.
Spall liners are good, but for a T-90M, they don’t help as much against well aimed shots as they do on Leopards, for example. With the T-90M, it’s easy to hit 2 crew in the turret from the side with just your dart and no spall, and from the front the spall liner doesn’t help with gun mantlet or lower plate shots much. A Leopard has better spaced crew so the spall liner helps more with getting shot in the side.
They do help alot against badly aimed shots, and it is an advantage over not having them for sure, but it’s not like the T-90M is the only tank with spall liners.
Most toptier shells are really good. I’ve used 3BM60 on the T90A but I like DM53 more. Type 10, m/95 and even OFL 120 F1 or DTC10-125 are still more than you need. And like I said earlier, even DM33 is usually good enough for toptier. The armor on all weakspots is bad enough.
It lacks reload speed.
It lacks reverse speed, which makes you a sitting duck when your shot didn’t disable your target or you get your gun or breech destroyed. Or when you’re getting engaged by multiple enemies. You simply can’t get into back into cover with a measely -3km/h.
It lacks gun depression to make use of its strong turret, or simply good positions on ridgelines in general.
It’s not a terrible tank at all, but its pros don’t “easily exceeds its cons”. It has good armour and spall liners against badly aimed shots, it has one of the stronger rounds, it has nice-to-have subsystems (LWS, gen3 thermals), and it has a low profile.
But it’s mobility and gun handling are average at their best stats and terrible at their worst stats, with the -3km/h reverse being especially debilitating, its post-pen survivability is hindered by having only 3 easy to hit crew, easy to hit and detonate fuel tanks, and ammo that kills the crew on detonation. Yes, it doesn’t always detonate, but it still often does, even if you didn’t aim for it.
It’s pretty much an average tank with more pronounced pros and cons than something like an Abrams. It’s better than Arietes, Merkavas, CR2s, on a comparable level to Leclercs, Abrams and Type99As, but it’s worse than Leopard 2s, Type 10s or even the T-80BVM (which comes with much better mobility and a better reload).
Please try a game in the T-90M and then play a Strv122 or Type 10, see what great tanks are made of. If all you are capable of is pressing W and disregard all tactics like flanking, sniping, retreating if neccessary and so on, yes, the T-90M is probably the best tank for this specific playstyle, I’ll give you that. But it’s a terrible playstyle to begin with and other tanks with better mobility and reload will give you much better options with anything else.
I mean, if I take all the pros you listed and apply “don’t get hit” and “be good at spotting tanks and aiming”, suddenly there are no pros left. I think that is telling alot.
It has worse gun handling than the SEPv2, what are you smoking
Except firepower is not only penetration, you can’t conveniently ignore the 1.8 seconds faster reload that all Abramses have with expert crew.
And reverse being much more useful than any of the advantages that the T-90M has.
It doesn’t. Iirc the elevation and vertical speeds are both 40°/s which is slightly better than the SEPv2 in terms of elevation speed.