It has worse gun handling than the SEPv2, what are you smoking
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Except firepower is not only penetration, you can’t conveniently ignore the 1.8 seconds faster reload that all Abramses have with expert crew.
And reverse being much more useful than any of the advantages that the T-90M has.
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It doesn’t. Iirc the elevation and vertical speeds are both 40°/s which is slightly better than the SEPv2 in terms of elevation speed.
You mean the same crew that instantly gets vaporized or gets reduced half of its number by single shot? You sound like Abrams are impenetrable fortress while in game 80 percent of the time you will roll on battlefield with 3 crew at best.
According to who, you? Every person who defends Russian vehicles gives the same good old reverse speed excuse while in practise it doesnt even matter that much.
İf you’re in a position where you cant get into cover in 4 seconds then better reverse speed will not matter in that case, since 4 second will not be enough for any tanks most of the time that argument becomes pretty irrevelant in practise for most of the time.
Also i like the part where you purposely ignored T-90M’s all advantages and focused on only 2 cons.
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İn terms elevation its 15 degrees faster then SEPV2 which makes a huge difference and since you love those kind of Numbers it becomes pretty funny that you’re ignoring that massive advantage.
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You’re more likely to fuel explosion than get an ammo explosion with Russian tanks. So yes but the lower glacis is a tiny target and half the time volumetric fucks you over and makes the round vanish.
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And thats why there was no new german top tier MBT between new power (end of 2020) and sons of attila, where they added Leopard 2 POS without its beak making it a sidegrade to 2A5 at best.
But sure german vehicles get added 1-2 years earlier than they should.
Leopard 2a5. Leopard 2a6. Try to spin this
Not that it could actually use that much to it’s advantage since both it’s positive and negative elevation are severely limit. -6° to 13° isn’t much room to aim up or down.
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True, but only because they’re so dang easy to explode via fuel. if you go through the lower glacis, the fuel gets hit first and usually explodes, and if it doesn’t there’s a decent chance it’s either the ammo detonating instead or shrapnell killing one of the turret crew in addition to the driver, destroying the vehicle.
The lower glacis is NOT a tiny target, it’s almost as big as the upper glacis and very easy to hit <500m, which is most engagements in WT. Even at 1km+ it’s still pretty easy with LRFs.
I also have never had a volumetric issue with it since it’s a perfectly flat plate with nothing else nearby to screw with your dart. There’s more volumetric problems with the driver’s port.
Leopard 2A5 was added in 1.87 Locked On together with chally 2, m1a1 ariete pre-serie and t80u. Back then it had some 480mm pen sabot shell (like all top tier MBTs bar i think arietes that had 625mm if i recall correctly). Leclerc and ariete were added next patch. And next patch ariete PSO was added.
M1A2, strv122, merkava mk3D in the US tree (back then it had 625mm pen sabot), cv90-120 (back then it had 625mm pen sabot), challenger 2F, T-72B3 were already in game; T-90A and strv122b plss got added the same patch (new power).
So the Leopard 2A6 didnt really add any capability that wasnt already in game. Still its slightly better 2A4 hull (ie. terrible armor) and 2A5 turret.
So i dont really need to spin anything.
You however need to stop being such massive cry baby with victim complex because people can prove that you are wrong just by opening the damn wiki.
Lucky that people like you have mods here to protect them.
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I could tell you the same thing about the T-90M armor and survivability lol. If you are in a position where you need to rely on it’s armor and survivability you already made a lot of mistakes in you gameplay.
If you are in such a position a good player will likely kill you no matter how “good” your armor and survivability is.
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Except unlike reverse speed armor and survivability on T-90M are not situational.
Both features are consistent elements on T-90M while having better reverse speed becomes pretty irrevelant on most cases.
İf this wasnt the case Abrams wouldnt suffer that much while Leo2A7V and Strv122 was ruling the battlefield.
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They kind of are in the T-90Ms case. Just because you can’t aim against them doesn’t mean nobody else can as well.
I 1 tap T-90Ms 90% of the time, where is their armor and survivability at?
They rule the battlefield because they combine armor with actual survivability (spall liners and crew spacing) and actually good forward and reverse mobility. This makes them so braindead to play.
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İf that were true Strv122,Leo2A7V and T-90M wouldnt be that survivable .
İts funny considering T-90M offers same capabilities minus crew space but considering average T-series tanks loves absorbs more shell then regular Nato tanks crew space isnt the problem in that case.
İs that the reason why none of them couldnt rule the battlefield before introduction of Spall Liners? Cause before that Russia was simply ruling the top tier.
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T-90M is not that survivable.
- spall liners are alot less effective with terrible crew layout
- T-series were NOT absorbing shells, your shots just sucked.
Wrong. Sweden was already the king of toptier even before the spall liners, and Germany was very strong too. There’s a reason a chunk of the community was crying that Germany doesn’t need any more toptier Leopards beyond the base 2A5 and 2A6, back when people were asking for a third toptier Leopard because some other nations had 3-4 toptier tanks already.
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Simply lie.
Another lie.
And another lie.
Do you have anything other then lies and playing victim card? İts quite boring tbh.
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Lmao, just saying “lie” to everything doesn’t support your argument in any way. You’re out of arguments, so I’ve won here it seems.
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What are you, 7?
Your arguments based on nothing and provides zero evidence yet you’re acting like you actually won something in your life.
Thats the whole reason why i didnt even bother to give any counter arguments cause there is nothing to counter.
İ guess gid gud.
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Not to take sides but your guys should realize some of you guys sound stupid like calling each other a dog and gay that is child’s play. We all want better but that doesn’t mean shooting peoples ideas down. Think of it like this what would you say if you were talking to someone and they are saying the things you are, are you really going to respect and listen to there ideas? Maybe try working together becuase right now no of you guys are doing anything to help.
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