you read it again. have you even played pantsir btw? you would know the guns rock the whole vehicle making it completely trash for flanking or even shooting at ground targets at all
You make it sound like tanks you drive have never been tracked. Ever. Must be awesome to be you.
not by pantsirs cos i have more than 2 braincells lmao. you dont even have a single mbt yet talking about top tier/pantsirs? sit the fk down lil bro
Arcade player*
The rafale is amazing and has good missiles and good CAS not like the slow AGMs that get hits. But coming from 2 Russian main bootlickers i expect nothing else but having to dig deep and creep on my stats pathetic lol
I would love if spaa could go down to their effective anti-air brs.
But some has abt-tank abilities that are above their anti-air abilities so people just play them as tds.
You are in denial, and deflecting. By the way, the Centurion Mk. 10 IS a main battle tank. So is the Vickers. If you’re gonna look up my account at least do a thorough job.
Like I said, must be awesome to be you.
I wasn’t suggesting it happens all the time, or even that it is a common occurrence.
I was answering the question as to how a gun with 70mm pen can destroy a MBT. I showed one example on HOW that might happen.
Okay
Almost everyone will disagree with you in the current case.
Because
1- It gets APDS REMOVED
2- but BR WILL NOT CHANGE
3- AND WILL STILL SHARES SAME BR with Gephad, which still retains APDS.
If Gaijin buffs down the BR in the same change, maybe I could agree with you.
But not now.
For now, this is nothing more than another British tax because of hatred from the Great Game.
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Whether the BR changes or not I’m going to play it.
If it doesn’t change, it will due to statistics.
If it does change, I’m using it where I want it to be anyway.
I think justifying Gaijin’s blunder because of your intention of playing is a bad move, I think.
There are possiblity of ‘Completely neglected because of a few statistics’ remains.
Look at Vampire FB.5 or R2Y2, which is inferior in almost all aspects compared to F-86A, but hasn’t taken care of for years.
I might be fine if Gaijin buffs BR when removing APDS in the same patch.
But I am not fine if Gaijin just removes APDS but doesn’t touch BR at all.
Especially, as I claimed earlier, Gephad with APDS still shares the same BR.
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Removing APDS is not a blunder, it’s what I’ve been demanding for years.
And people have called for it to be lowered in BR before I could post on the topic.
So no one’s justifying any “blunder”.
No no no no no, no moving goalpost on my watch.
I didn’t tell you that ‘Removing APDS itself is a blunder’
I told you that ‘I am fine if they buff the BR in the same update’
Yes, because it will be a good way of filling the air gap.
No, you are justifying Gaijin’s blunder that they are nerfing the SPAA first for ‘unpromising, potential’ buff in ‘future’
BTW, a bit off topic, did you read my reply, which I wrote to you at the copy-paste topic? I thought you replys on it, but getting neglected was quite unexpected.
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The major problem for any SPAA w/o good abilities to fight-off tanks is THE MAPS.
For example, take a look on “Abandond Factory”, RB variant
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Left team? Good luck for you, poor SPAA soul, on any BR, higher than 8.7. You literally HAVE NO PLACE TO GO OR HIDE, neither from tanks, neither from CAS, also your view field is severly screwed.
You think right team SPAA’s is doing any better? Sort off - atleast on hightier they can park their giant SAM “tubes” behind 2 buildings on spawn somewhat relatively safe from tanks. But that’s about it.
Overall, SPAA’s w/o selfdefence in both team is screwed, if their teammates loose any point and line on the map (could happenen EXTREMELY early here and happenes every single time).
But take a look on a SB variant of that map.
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I can already see some possibility’s and “breathing space” for an AA w/o ground defence.
Just imagine, if Gaijin somehow implement SB maps sizes exclusively for an AA in regular RB matches.
Or because of the classic Gaijin two step.
- Vehicle A has a strong advantage, resulting in it slowly moving up in BR as players play it and do well in it.
- Gaijin removes said strong advantage without reducing it’s BR.
- Players, seeing the now sad vehicle at a BR where it can’t compete, and with multiple better options, stop playing it. The few who do tend to be fans of the vehicle, and thus inflate the performance compared to the average.
- Based on the now tiny sample size of good players, the vehicle never moves down.
This is the story of the T25, of the R2Y2s, and soon to be the Falcon and 30 DCA.
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On these small and urban maps SPAA should be more dangerous, I put it back on Gaijin to make maps more realistic.
More bias. What is the standard for historical vehicles if you remove what they have? just make everything fantasy machines at that stage.
What buffs are we getting for all the unhistorical nerfs, half the British Tree in particular is horrible to paly as it is.
@Aegis270
The Falcon is one of if not the most popular SPAA at around that BR, and it’s ruined because of that APDS.
Removing the APDS and reducing its BR is the only way to save it.
Yeah but your opinion shouldn’t change it’s historical options.
Why are people charging/rushing SPAA in close range or urban maps? learn to play.
Stop taking our toys because you have a problem with SPAA use in knife fight maps.
They should be extremely dangerous in that environment.
Where do you stop? now you make SPAA defenceless to ground… nah.
Which they pointedly didn’t do.
If you’re hoping the large player numbers mean it won’t be abandoned, think again. The meta chasers will just switch to any of the various 35mm SPAA, one of the most meta being in the same tech tree at almost the same BR. Meanwhile, for those who don’t want to give up the 8.3 lineup, the Chieftain Marksman is now effectively a straight upgrade to the Falcon, having better APHE, access to APDS and a RADAR, at the cost of just being larger.
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@Aegis270
Are you from the future? Cause the game hasn’t been updated yet…
Painting speculation as fact is not helpful to discussion.
Call for it to move down with the removal of APDS like the rest of us.
Cause Falcon is useless at 8.3 due to APDS causing it to be higher than it should be.
If it doesn’t move down, then it becomes a recurring demand for me as I play it post-change.