So that means they are dropping the BR?
Cuz that’s the only reason Falcon is at 8.3. Without APDS it should be ~ 7.7
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Big drop in pen though…
SAP-I/SAP-I/SAP-I/HEI-T 53 50 42 34 27 21
The AP rounds have more than enough pen to take out tanks. Anti air vehicles dont need APDS.
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Thats a good amount of pen still. And its SAP so it has a good amount of HE filler. Go for cupola and weakspots…
oh really? you think the apcr belt of the r3 t20 at br 6.0 can take on tiger 2’s? this thing doesnt even receive apds like the amx 10p, yet gaijin somehow thinks it should be at 6.0. 57 apcr pen is laughable. this shell doesnt even pen 30mm of armor if its even slightly angled. gaijin has a history of nerfing vehicles to the ground. be it overtiering them, nerfing the rounds they use. any way to make them less viable on the battlefield. because people complaint they are too strong. they arnt too strong. they literally ahve no armor to work with.
half of this game is about hide and seek. you hide your presence. so you can kill your enemies better. that doesnt mean the vehicle is good. the player is. but it helps if the vehicle you use is actually capable of killing enemy tanks it encounters. the apds round. the singular, apds round in a belt of 4 shells, allows the falcon and DCA to do this.
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If you compare this to other SPAAs now then the falcon should 100% move down:
for refrence the ZSU-37-2 is currently at 7.7 with a radar and 86mm of pen vs
Falcon which has no tracking or search radar and now 53mm of pen sitting at a BR of 8.3
this is nuts gaijin…
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yes. this will basically turn the falcon into something thats hardly better than an m163. but they dont talk about reducing its br. they just remove its most capable belt.
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The R3 T20 is an extremely good anti air. It should be in 6.0 purely for that reason. Lets put the pantsir in 1.0 it cant even kill leopards frontally with its gun!
The R3 T20 is way faster than the AMX and can still pen a decent amount of tanks. Just because it cant pen one of the heaviest tanks in the br range doesnt mean its bad…
The Maus is 7.7 and the ZA35 is 8.7
The ZA35 should therefore move below 6.7 because it cant pen Maus!
See how weird your argument is?
no, this is you trying to ridicule my point through straw man fallacy. you distort the original point, because you dont care about spaa’s. you just dont want to get killed by autocannons any more.
I care about spaa’s quite literally the reason why im trying to get every spaa in every tree i play. I just dont believe SPAA should be better at killing tanks than planes. SPAA’s should only have the ability to disable tanks or kill with very precisely aimed shots. Having tiny vehicles zooming around with 10x better reaction time than you is very annoying.
Don’t get me wrong - I’m fine with the removal of the APDS.
I was just pointing out it’s a significant nerf. Which should be accompanied by a reduction of the BR.
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86mm of pen with an AP-t round that has zero HE filler in a slow fat big chassis.
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the falcon has neither speed not armor, or a radar, which is already standard for spaa’s beyond br 7.7. it literally has nothing else to fall back to. the one apds round in its belt is its only ability to have fun on an otherwise boring match.
the DCA is neither armor or is stabilized. it has a radar which improves its spaa capabilities, but its not perfect. compared to the marksman, which is stabilized, has atleast 40 full apds belt to work with. up to 120 shells if you use the ammo boxes. you want to nerf that as well? dont give spaa’s ammo boxes any more because they can resupply mid match?
you obviously miss the point. nerfing the anti tank capability of an spaa comes with severe concequences to its playability. players want to have fun playing vehicles. they dont ahve fun playing them, they are picked less. if less people pick spaa’s, you will get just another load of complaints about too much cas.
the m163 is hardly picked, because the rotary autocannon hardly has any pen. its not a fun vehicle to use, unless you are severely depressed and bored in real life. you are not gonna wait until that one plane spawns in.
the other option is picking spaa after your main vehicle died. what did your main vehicle die to? to CAS that you could have taken out with spaa. which you wernt at that time. its a continued paradox. one that can easily be solved, by making more players play spaa, that is having dual functionality.
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This thing finally got the nerf hammer it deserved.
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I could see them reducing the br of the Falcon but im 100% for them removing the APDS. Yes destroying people in a broken anti air with APDS is fun but thats not how the vehicles should be imo. If you want a vehicle that can kill planes and tanks that mostly focuses on tanks then use an IFV.
only some spaa’s are actually good at being an spaa. m247. wz305. spg09. what do they have in common? proximity shells.
because proxy shells are good at what they do. shooting down planes.
another silent nerf that gaijin pushed throughout the patches.
im having 7 air kills. wrong. only 4. 3 were recon drones. and in one of the patches, they made it so that recon drones dont count as regular air kills. you get 220 points for shooting them down, but they dont count to any anti air missions.
they just constantly keep nerfing spaa’s. if its not cas complaining about too strong spaa, it are other tanks who fail to learn how to play the game.
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I don’t have a problem with the removal of the round, but the overall change itself is a really half-assed move by Gaijin. If the intent is to take away the anti-tank capabilities of the 30/35mm SPAA, why do it on only 2 of them. There’s at least a half dozen others using the same round. Yes, in smaller loads but the resupply box really reduces the relevance of that. Nevertheless, there’s still a bunch of SPAA doing exactly what the Falcon/DCA do, and just as well if not better with the same ammo.
Equally important the Falcon was nerfed several BR’s because of this round. With its removal it really needs to move back down to 7.3/7.7 range to be alongside other non-radar gunslingers like the ZSU-23-4M2 with comparable punch. AMX-30 S DCA should come down to 8.3.
The change is really poorly done and half-assed.
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Removing the APDS was justified, arguably, but only on the condition that they move down to BRs where they can function as SPAA. The Falcon in particular absolutely doesn’t deserve 8.3 without APDS, given that it completely lacks any form of target tracking. Given the Shilka M2 (The RADARless one) is at 7.3, that would be a decent starting area.
The DCA also needs to move down, as while it does have RADAR, it’s a particularly bad one. 8.0 feels broadly reasonable, given the ZSU-37-2 is at 7.7, though I could also see 8.3 given it’s substantially better than it.
Whatever the case, I really don’t want to see this end up like the T25 or R2Y2s, where Gaijin massively inflates the BR of a vehicle due to it having a specific advantage, then removes the advantage and never touches the BR ever again.
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Laughs in bias pantsir used as a tank killer because gaijin copes for Russia