What’s that got to do with the panther 2?
One falls under the category of Incomplete prototypes. Aka Lego pieces.
The other falls under-> never-completed prototypes. As the parts were never produced.
It’s vaguely related as people were comparing the R2Y2 to the Panther II.
So nothing to do with what Im talking about then.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE SNAIL
There’s a thread on this plane and on how to fix it… it’s almost been 12 years wtfff
The Ki-102 Otsu - Machinery of War Discussion / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum
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Not exactly.
Internally yes, a single .50cal, but two gunpods could be carried (now up to a whopping 3!). If we omit the AIM-9B for the sake of putting it at a reasonable BR, it could make for a 6.0-6.7 jet that trades a lot of firepower for much higher speed and general flight performance than other jets near it.
More specifically, the Fuji T-1B is armed with:
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Mate, you claimed that the Ho-Ri would qualify as an incomplete project despite there being only being a wooden mock-up and the gun. It is unknown if any hulls for it were completed and there was no prototype.
That makes it less complete than the Panther II and the Coelian. Heck, even the Tiger 105 could be considered more complete than the Ho-Ri.
Also, the changes between the R2Y1 and R2Y2 wouldn’t have been just minor ones. The R2Y1 had no guns and wasn’t planned to carry any, it most likely had no mounting arrangements for bombs, its wings would most likely have had to be redone due to the weight of the engines, etc.
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You just based your information on a picture. Rather than documentation multiple sites written in Japanese have directly stated that several prototypes were being constructed and the parts were simply not put together like Lego pieces in a set.
Come back to me when you have a solid counterargument. You don’t right now.
Wym “based just on a picture”? Which vehicle are we even talking about?
In case of the Ho-Ri they had the wooden mock-up, the gun, an unfinished Chi-Ri (the original Type 5 tank, which the Ho-Ri is a variant of) and an order for a couple of them, which was never fulfilled.
In case of the R2Y2, they had the R2Y1 prototype and one or two (sources differ a lot there) additional unfinished R2Ys.
This is all based on information that is readily available and easily accessible online. If you have access to sources proving that these vehicles got closer to completion, please share them with us (ideally translated if it’s just japanese sources).
However, as it stands, Gaijin themselves consider the R2Y2s to be paper vehicles, throwing them into the same pile as the German trio. So based on Gaijins stance and the information that I can find online the Ho-Ri should be treated the same way, especially the Ho-Ri production variant.
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and I thought that Big Bang Theory was an exaggeration of nerdiness… ;-)
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Once again. Come back to me when you have a solid counterargument. You don’t right now. I’ll be waiting when you do. Give you a hint. Japanese archives. Take that into consideration when arguing.
Problem there is that flight performance wise its similar to jets in the 7.X-8.X bracket
It is also still a woefully inadequate armament even if placed in a 6.X bracket
For the Ho-Ri there were 5 hulls to be converted from Chi-Ri chassis done to about 50% completion before cancellation, alongside the prototyped gun. That is enough to be considered as “unfinished prototype” by suggestion rules, and with the actual game it might be inconsistent, but not unseen (Yak-141, TOG-2, etc.). Just because there is no photo, doesn’t invalidate written sources.
This is of course not the Ho-Ri as shown in the game, but it would be a good replacement for the current Ho-Ri.
You can read about it (and even check sources) in the old forum suggestion about the Ho-Ri II:
R2Y2 also had prototyped jet engines intended to be mounted. The issue here is most likely not that it wasn’t complete, but that designs for jet-equipped R2Y aircraft seem to be very speculative.
If there was a definitive source to prove a specific design that would likely be enough to prevent the most accurate R2Y2 (probably V1) from being removed.
(Unless there is such a source that I missed, if so I am interested in how the engines should be mounted)
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I think the deciding thing should be tested the weapons etc.
If even stuff that were only put into service.
Interesting, so there actually is a variant of the Ho-Ri that would conform to Gaijins rather arbitrary rules.
Thank you for actually taking the time and providing a source instead of just brushing me off and telling me to just look for japanese sources as if it was a given that everyone on the Internet speaks Japanese.
That Ho-Ri II suggestion was an interesting read and I wouldn’t have thought of looking for info on the Ho-Ri II.
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Hi,
about R2Y i found only that informations if somebody intrested in about reading:
https://j-aircraft.com/artwork/yokosuka_r2y2.htm
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Back in the day R2Y2 used to be lower BR. What CAS capacity has been added there? There haven’t been new attacker type aircraft in years. The only good thing have been fixes to Japanese aircraft cannons, most importantly 30mm Type 5. About all those fixes have been thanks to players, but some have not been dealt, like Ki-102 otsu is still lacking bombs and AP rounds.
There have certainly been suggestion for aircraft which could at least partially cover the issue.
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Probably once the F-2 is added it’ll be considered
So your proposal for a ”historically plausible” R2Y2 would be to re-make the aircraft as a fast jet bomber, like the Ar-234, if I understand correctly?