An Argentine air sub-tree for Germany

+1, this is an incredible suggestion. Vehicles fill gaps, have interesting histories, and are excellently balanced.
A few notes on balancing:
Why is the A-4C so high BR? I’m assuming it’s just what ordinance it has but it would be nice to have that explained.
Shafrir on the F-86F-40 is Shafrir 1 (AIM-9B eq.) not the much better Shafrir 2 (AIM-9G eq), right?
As I’ve said on the specific A-4AR suggestion, AIM-9M on such an aircraft would be unbalancible. AIM-9L at 10.0 or 10.3 would be perfect.
F-16BM with AIM-9M would definitely be at least 12.3.
What version of the AMRAAM would the F-16AM use? I’d expect an F-16 with AIM-120B and AIM-9M would be 13.0, so the F-16AM with AIM-9X would be at least 13.3, likely substantially higher depending on what AMRAAMs it uses.

And honestly the relocated aircraft fit better in that line anyways.

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Depends on what gajin add soon

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I’d want the the Tranche 1 to have just AIM-9s in terms of IR missiles, so the first Typhoons would all have identical weapons loadouts (instead of Britain just having the straight up better ASRAAM) and equivalent IR missiles to other nations’ (US, USSR, Japan, China) first fox-3 4th gens for balancing and so they can come sooner.

Yeah, I personally don’t want AAM-5B, IRIS-T, MICA IR, R-73M, AIM-9X on anything new.
I just want what we have, and similar IRCCM systems to what we have that way the BRs don’t get out of control for fun stuff.

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Especially since AIM-9X, AAM-5, and R-73M are much more modern so they are contemporaries of AAM-4, AIM-120C/D, and R-77-1 and not the earlier Fox-3s.
MICA-IR would be alright but obviously having only France with a FPA missile would be broken. Better IMO to have an F1 Rafale with EMs only and later an F2 alongside Tranche 2s and other nation’s equivalents.
But we’re getting off topic lol.

I wouldn’t read too much in to the battle ratings, it depends a lot on what ordinance Gaijin decides on giving. But yeah, the A-4C should be at 8.7.

As for the F-86, I believe they carry Shafrir 1, not 2, so it would be equivalent to the F-86F-40s we have in-game already.

As for the A-4AR, AIM-9L would probably be a safer option. It can always be changed to AIM-9M later if necessary.

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I agree that once we have ARH missiles, things need to slow down for air. I already feel like we have advanced too quickly with 4th gens.

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My leading theory behind why they went fast is to discover the maximum BR to have a baseline for BR changes.
Cause once they know the maximum BR for air, they can change BRs around for both air and ground, including decompression, far easier.

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Fr and I need to stop derailing the discussion but it’s wild we have the F-15 before the F-101, F-106, or F-94. Gaijin just makes money off hype more than anything else and modern vehicles are more hype than old ones.

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Is there any possibility that gaijin might considered AAM-5, AIM-9X, IRIS-T and MICA IR in 1 or 2 years ?

And AIM-120C-8/AIM-120D & R-77-1 coming to 2029 with rank 10 for aviation toptier ?

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AAM-5 [non-B] might come soon if its IRCCM is similar enough to what we currently have.
Otherwise I would say late 2025 at the earliest.

Probably, at least the IRIS-T, MICA, Python 4, and ASRAAM because they’re older. They’re great missiles and alone would warrant .3 higher BR for their platforms over current IR missiles (keeping current compression rate of top tier). Nations that didn’t use more modern IRCCM missiles until later have just more capable airframes and/or Fox-3s they’d have for their equivalents.

AAM-5 uses a focal-plane array which is unflareable. That’s the same seeker type as the AIM-9X, IRIS-T, MICA-IR, and ASRAAM as seen on the TY-90.
PL-9C, AAM-3 (not in game tho), R-73M, and Python 4 use dual-spectrum seekers as seen on Stingers.

Nah

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This just seems like a ploy to give Germany F-16s. Germany already has a strong air tech tree, and it will get stronger once the Eurofighter and F-35 get added to the game. There is no need for a subtree.

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More like to flesh out the mid ranks with some CAS capable planes…

As for the top ranks, a gap fill is definitely needed between the ICE’s addition and the Eurofighter’s.

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Germany has great CAS options already at the mid-tiers. If you need more, just give the hitlerbolt bombs.

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Show me that “strong air tech tree” (almost as if you’ve never bothered to read what OP wrote). No good top tier CAS? Checked. No real alternative to the MiG-29 or F-4F ICE for the next couple months (if not years)? Check.

and it will get stronger once the Eurofighter and F-35 get added to the game. There is no need for a subtree.

“It’s fine, your tree might become good in like 5 or 6 years, for the time being just suffer lololz”

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Typhoon is far away F4 ICE isn’t a F16 with AMRAAMS equivalent
And to say its a ploy they already have Argentinian vehicles in their ground tree why not air