but france declined it, they literaly said they dont want it.
With the same argument why should it be in france when they clearly didnt want it?
is named in the wiki
“Additional turret armour is also available per buyer request.” if that one is not implemented it, there we would have the case. Give germany the better armored version
EMBT still is a thing, but they only are tech demonstrators realy, nevery realy supposed for actual service
either way, they are both TH products unless it was put into service in which case SA would have primary claim. currently. Germany does
Yeah fair point xD remove it from the game no one wanted it.
Seems a bit bogus there though doesn’t it, if they should be added equally not one better than the other.
The other aspect is balancing it, as remember germany is a far larger player base so has more worse players statistically speaking. so it may affect how the 30S is Br’d
why not buff its armour on the french and then make them both equal?
Aye I suppose so, the Euro MBt would be cool though
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
tell that the 2s38, vidar , pzh2k and so on. As long as it makes money gajin doesnt mind
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
Answered above
definitly and should be added to both france and germany.
Honestly its not germanys fault we have such a big ground industry, we shouldnt be punished for it.
In the meantime lookat air we are dead in the water
Germany can have this one, and France can have the other stabilized upgraded AMX-30s that are out there, maybe even the other 32s. The title of ‘pErFecTeD by GerMaNy’ is worthy of an actual curb stomping, however
the actual french guy saying it can go to germany
I applaud you
Thank you, I just want nations to get what they made, and this is basically a German tank in a French exoskeleton
It’s the same as how people want GIAT-upgraded Russian tanks to go to France, the nation that did the work gets the reward imo
Eh at the end of the day this either has to be all or nothing.
The issue I think for most is the pick n choose.
Exactly my point, imagine the 2s38 was an event vehicle, its Br would be 11.0 by now. the vidar too.
they have skewed stats cause bad players buy them then do bad.
yeah Seen that :D
cant fault an industry for existing, think folks get more pissed off by the attitude of some of the german mains on here though.
same as most mains tbf
Honestly its not germanys fault we have such a big ground industry, we shouldnt be punished for it.
This is true for both sides, too
Whilst selling less individual AFVs than Germany, the industry is large (Granted, it makes money from the smaller systems sold, such as anything Thales makes), but that still leaves the AMX-30C2, a long-requested vehicle, as France’s AMX-30 Super replacement
(Not forgetting 30VE)
i think the 30S should be added to Germany i mean after all France got the SK105 and DF105 just because French parts got used so same logic maybe give germany the addon armor that was planned to make it stand out
Germany is getting switzerland.
Theres enough stuff in germany now man ffs let some stuff remain where it should be.
If it was 4/5 years ago yeah sure.
But wouldn’t you rather see actual german stuff added before taking mix n match crap from other trees?
Im sat here waiting for leopard 1a3, a4 as well as the 2av with the 120mm gun, and a myriad of other tanks.
Edit : they only got thw DF105 last patch. Its been a whole 5 years since it was added 😑 or there abouts.
The Sk105 was abritrarily added to Germany cause it’s austrian 🤣 the only reason its under the Argentinian flag is to give it a different name.
It caused chaos when it was introduced because france at that time was a really fresh tree and was empty af, while germany had i think at least 2 lights at the same br that were considered good.
Edit 2 : as @MademoiselleSXXI says, IF they actually added the amx 30VE or C2 then it wouldn’t be as bad for germany to get the 30s.
But generally i believe the C2 could fire the OFL 105 G2 round so maybe end up higher br.
I mean we still are talking about a german vehicle
It’s not a german vehicle, its a german modified vehicle.
It’s also a prem so moving it could cause more issues for certain people.
It’s a french vehicle, overhauled by the germans, for the french. IT really should stay in france.
Most T series tanks should goto france cause most their optics and electronics come from france?
No one is asking for it to move, it should just be in both trees
Not modified for the French, France had nothing to do with it. It was an upgrade package offered for countries already operating the AMX-30.
There is a lot more then optic upgrades in the Super. The entire tank is overhauled.
which never has been in use by france. Thats like saying the Leo 2T1 is not a turkish vehicle, but a turkish modified vehicle.
You are saying any leopard should go germany, any T series to Russia, any F-16/15 and so on to the US
who says anything about moving? it can be added to germany as well, doesnt need to be france restricted
Its not an event vehicle
its only that few eletronics, which were planned and installed by russia.
Germany overhauled the AMX 30S, changing multiple parts planned, and developed the upgrade. Its not comparable what you are doing
No its not, theres an FCS upgrade, transmission and engine.
T series tansk were using a plethora of french electronics inthem before you know what started.
It was designed for the french initially thats why when i twas rejected it was shut down xD
+engine cooling system, fuelm capacity increase, torsiojn bars, hydraulic schock absorbers, new roadm wheels, new tracks. stabiliser system and new thermal equipment+ available turret armor on request.
publicly displayed, and tested in Saudi Arabia
Ah yes… definitly the same as the few french parts in a T series. you are definitly right.
how can we confuse bought french parts that were planned by russia and isntalled with a major overhaul planned and done by germans
Were all new in the Super.
Do you have a source for this claim? Because none of the sources I have say this was the case.
Since the DF105 and SK affair its hard to understand that France got the AMX30 Super alone. Except the chassis nothing is french anymore. Even the wheels and tracks where from Diehl.
A West German consortium bought a few abandoned Saudi AMX-30 tanks to prove whats possible when they put it full of German tech and parts. France was completly left out in this.
i love how people still say the 30S was upgraded for France this is wrong it was aimed at everybody who had AMX30s to offer an Upgrade just like with the M48 Super and M41 GTI from the same Project and i stand by it France got the SK105 and DF105 so Germany should get the 30S for it to be fair otherwise remove them from France