AMX-30 Super - Made in France, Perfected by Germany

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This was originally intended to be a suggestion for Germany, but was denied due to it already being in the French tree.

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During the mid to late eighties, a consortium of West German companies was formed in order to develop upgrade packages for the tank fleets of both Europe and abroad. This consortium included AEG, Krupp Atlas Elektroink, MTU, Wegmann, Diehl, ZF, and GLS, a subsidiary of Krauss-Maffei, being at its head. Some of the fruits of this consortium included the M48 Super, which should be familiar to most as it is already in-game, the M41 GTI, and the subject of today’s suggestion, the AMX Super.

Development of the AMX-30 originally began in 1956 as part of the joint Franco-German Standardpanzer program but disagreements in the program lead to the separate development of the French AMX-30 and German Leopard. Despite this, the final result of each tank were remarkably similar, each having light armour with a four-man crew and a rifled 105 mm gun, the idea being to rely on mobility and firepower rather than heavy armour as a means of survival.

Despite their similarities, the Leopard enjoyed a significant amount more export success, almost doubling the production numbers of the AMX-30. The purpose of the AMX-30 Super was to address many of the shortcomings of the existing AMX-30 and bring it more in-line with the latest version of the Leopards, the A5 variant which was just now undergoing deliveries.

As part of the upgrades almost no area of the AMX30 was left untouched. The engine was replaced with an MTU MB 833 Ka-501 diesel engine producing 625 kW and the gearbox was replaced with an automatic ZF LSG3000. Also incorporated into the powerpack was improved air filtration, cooling, and electrical generation systems. The fuel tank was also expanded to provide a total 20% increase in range. A new fire warning and extinguishing system was also included.

The running gear and suspension was also improved to both improve crew comfort and reduce the strain on any gun stabilisation system. The road wheels were also improved and the tracks were replaced with Diehl Type 234s which had over double the life of the original tracks.

The fire control system was completely revamped with the inclusion of a Krupp Atlas Elektronik MOLF 30 fire control system which included a laser rangefinder and thermal imager for the gunner. The original hydraulic turret control system was replaced with a maintenance free electrically controlled system. Applique armour was also offered for the turret but it was never added to the prototype.

Despite all these improvements, no country ever showed interest in the upgrade program and it’s unknown what happened to the singular prototype that was developed.

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Specifications

Weight: 36 metric tons
Gun: 105 mm L/56 F1 rifled
Ammunition: 50 rounds
Fire control: Laser rangefinder, thermal imager, gun stabilisation
Engine: MTU MB 833 Ka-501 diesel engine producing 625 kW
Maximum speed: 65 kph
Armour (turret): 80 mm
Armour (glacis): 80 mm

Sources

International Defense Review - Super AMX30: A German update for a French battle tank

IN 0535 Vehicle Recognition (Friendly Armor) Edition

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wrong section. For suggestions use the suggestion part of the forum
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what do you mean by that? Aren’t we already have AMX-30 super in the game as France premium? i do have it too

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He can’t…

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Generaly i think its fair, like the DF105 and so on it should be implemented in both trees if anything.
Same thing for the chally 130.
The modification were all done by Germany and france /UK themself had no hands in it and they never operate the vehicle

Considering how much german stuff france is getting, adding to this now a premium Leo 2a4, its only fair for germany to receive the amx 30 they developed

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yes, but it can be added in germany as well

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France needed the DF105 but on the other hand Germany doesn’t need the AMX-30 S, this suggestion is entirely pointless since its already established that the AMX-30 isn’t going to Germany anytime soon.

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It’s not about what Germany needs, It’s about what’s German. And this is a German upgrade package for the AMX-30 so it rightfully has a place in the German tech tree.

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explain to me again how france needs the DF105, there is multiple other 8.0 vehicles including the clovis which is in both trees as well, and multiple 7.7 or 8.3 vehicles.

and this isnt realy true either, they said under the current suggestion forum, how it works they cant add it as a thread. Since they didnt think of such cases before hand.

Gajin is implementing vehicles shared more and more to all user nations.
Ram2, skink, osa, strella, df105, clovis and so on
the amx 30 super should not be an exception

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It’s not about what Germany needs, It’s about what’s German

Ironic, then give us back the Swiss Hunter, all you can do is take, take and take. Germany is morbidly obese from the sheer amount of vehicles they have and France simply isn’t - at the core of things the AMX-30 is a French vehicle and isn’t German anyways lmao.

Those vehicles aren’t in the same category as the AMX-30 S when it comes to implementation, Canada was a dominion of the UK during WW2 hence why we received the Skink and Ram II, the DF105 and Clovis is more of a unique case and other than them vehicles and excluding few exceptions no other TTs get this level of treatment besides Germany and France.

Whether a TT needs something or not is something up for consideration when implementing vehicles, Germany already had the A1A1 (L/44) at the time

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buddy, you are barking up the wrong tree. Is anyone of us stoping you from asking for a better hunter?
No buddy is stoping britains from asking for the Hunter FGA MK 9. i am all for its implementation as well

somebody is ignoring that german exists longer in the game in ground as france.
A tree that exists longer naturaly has more additions, thats basic math. Compare vehicles additions over the time. Every nation roughly gets the same amount of vehicles

amx-30 yes, but the amx 30 super is german, germany heavily modified the vehicle. Even war thunder itself says so.
You saying the amx 30 super is not german, is the same as saying the T-84 Oplot is not ukrainian but russian.

doesnt matter that its a dominion, its still not a subtree and UK strictly speaken has no right to the vehicle and they still got it

and that should be changed easy as that fair implementations at the same time should be the way forward. Just as UK should get rafale

So France didnt need the DF105 either, and you are looking for excuses? We arent complaining that france got it before germany or not at the same time.
We are asking for it to be implemented to germany in the future. The A1A1 L/44 doesnt matter here.
Doesnt need to be a premium, could be tech tree, squadron or event for all we care

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Germany players didn’t decide where the Hunter Mk58 went… nor did anyone who played Germany really want it.

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buddy, you are barking up the wrong tree. Is anyone of us stoping you from asking for a better hunter?
No buddy is stoping britains from asking for the Hunter FGA MK 9. i am all for its implementation as well

The Swiss Hunter is one of the only few Hunters to be outfitted with countermeasures and that’s where the original issue rests, the FGA.9 won’t be solving anything whatsoever - furthermore no British Hawker Hunter was ever outfitted with countermeasures.

somebody is ignoring that german exists longer in the game in ground as france

The AMX-30 S and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) was counterparts to one another and were introduced into the game at a similar time, the duration that Germany has been a TT in War Thunder is entirely irrelevant to this conversation and therefor off-topic.

amx-30 yes, but the amx 30 super is german, germany heavily modified the vehicle. Even war thunder itself says so.
You saying the amx 30 super is not german, is the same as saying the T-84 Oplot is not ukrainian but russian

The T-84 has a entirely differently designed turret and has different composite makeup, its vastly different from the AMX-30 S and how that vehicle itself received upgrades.

Furthermore, the only parts of the AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS - other than that everything else is French - keep coping, Germany as a nation continues to be spoon fed, they simply don’t need a AMX-30 S in its TT.

doesnt matter that its a dominion, its still not a subtree and UK strictly speaken has no right to the vehicle and they still got it

You do realise that the UK monarch was the head of state for Canada? Additionally, being a dominions does mean quite a lot since Canada was quite literally still apart of the British Empire at the time hence why it went to Britain - anything more you want to deny?

Additionally, Canada was still linked to the UK constitutionally during WW2 as well

and that should be changed easy as that fair implementations at the same time should be the way forward. Just as UK should get rafale

The UK shouldn’t get the Rafale lmao, stop projecting your silly ideas onto other TTs just because you want the AMX-30 S.

So France didnt need the DF105 either, and you are looking for excuses? We arent complaining that france got it before germany or not at the same time.
We are asking for it to be implemented to germany in the future

France only has two TT vehicles which sit at 8.0 and only one when excluding the DF105 - on the contrast however Germany has five TT vehicles which sit at 9.3 and that’s excluding the “possible” addition of the AMX-30 S and six when including it.

France desperately needed the DF105 more than Germany needs the AMX-30 S, and that’s not mentioning how overpowered 9.3 Germany is.

This is irrelevant, you guys already have the South African Class 3 (P) and the Swiss Hunter, you don’t need another French vehicle on top of this, the AMX-30 S simply isn’t German as nearly every single inch of the vehicle has French origins.

Arguing with ignorant German mains is like arguing to a brick wall, not all of them of course

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Thread about the AMX 30 S
Immediately gets whataboutism’d by “muh Hunter F.58” argument (how come a Britmain is the one coping the most here?)

Classic

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I’ve only sent three messages here and I’m mainly a Chinese main, not really a British one lmao.

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Cool. It’s not matter of “needing” tho. The specific variant was created by Germany so they’ve a claim to it (simple, right?), you can cry all ya want about how they don’t need it tho, you’ll just be arguing a point nobody else brought up then.

Furthermore, the only parts of the AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS - other than that everything else is French

And new air filtration system, cooling, new electrical generation systems. The tracks were also replaced with German ones, they added a proper stabilisation system, the hyrdraulic turret control system was replaced by a German electric one. The only things French that still remained were the steel carcas of the vehicle, and the cannon.

Ye, just engine, FCS, and transmission… me when I lie.

Also pot calling kettle black lmao.

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Stupid point, Leo2s all have german origins, yet france already has three and its getting fourth one.

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then search for options US F5 got random countermeasure upgrades as well didnt they?
You are only using this for excuses

You are the one stating it as a reason, i said it didnt matter. The A1A1 doesnt forbid the implementation
You are the one searching for excuses here

thats again searching for excuses, where does one draw the line? It was modified by germans and is another vehicle, it is a german vehicle. It stands being the same situation as the T-84 Oplot. The degree is different but same situation. By its nature the T-80 only is a modification as well.

and still doesnt matter, i can give you multiple quotes of Smin stating canada is not a subtree

Why? India is an official subtree of UK, of course they should be able to get access to all indian vehicles.
I only support nation and their subtrees. India is an officaly implemented nation in the game with a home and players should be able to play those line ups.
In the same nature UK received Gripens and France F-16s. Are you calling to get those removed as well?

Line ups dont have much meaning. BRs are formable and the 0.3 br steps dont matter.
Show me germanys 7.3 BR line up for the wiesel or germanys 10.0 line up.

If you feel like every br step needs a complete br line up thats just completle entitlement

yes the german developed and engineered vehicle, that was added before SA was a thing. Many UK players have those asked for the alternative variant with the olefant turret if i remember it right. Since that alternative exists.

In your own words its not entirely french. Besides that
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you forgot a few things. Like armor kits, road wheels, gunner thermal, cooling system and so on.

you are arguing that a german vehicle isnt german what you expect?

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and france didnt need the DF105, strictly speaken.
Its not about needs, but because the vehicles belong into their nation.

France asked for it cause of the turret, not cause they need it. They just wanted a vehicle that showed of their french technology , just like we are asking for the AMX 30 Super.

Its funny how you are arguing when gajin themself in the description writes its german developed

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surely one of your colonies had a Hunter with countermeasures…
Or has the empire fallen that far

Edit: Oh my look at that 1 min search on this forum and tadaaa, see what I found:

Spoiler

Hawker Hunter (OMAN): The Desert Hunter

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