No, it is based on TH 800, it is not the same vehicle.
Just like CLASS 1 is based on TH 400.
The timing of this suggestion is impeccable too, with the announcement of the Dutch 2A4 for France
I was reading and initially thought they were adding a prototype Leclerc and was hyped until they dropped the smelly “Leopard 2” on me, genuinely diabolical behaviour on Gaijins end and hopefully they change this.
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Remember too, this was added wayy before the swiss tree was even anounced think that too is why folks were so up in arms about it.
No I mean with each other… as far as I’ve seen it runs deep even until recently.
Ah no, we already had this going for a while, even before a suggestion.
But it got denied, we wrote Smin then he said he will look into it after his vacation.
Followed by us reaquring the suggestion from the mods.
Its in the works since quite some time.
just saying nobody of us demanded it to be a premium.
It can be tech tree, event, or squadron for all we care
they are adding a prototype leclerc to the tech tree
They said they wanted to add a Leclerc with a nerfed round for the high tier prem for france.
then claimed there was no lineup for it
this means the prototype Leclerc will be 12.0
As they stated that the 11.7 nerfed one for a prem cant be added due to no lineup.
Thats their argument for using the 2a4 as a prem.
If the proto leclerc is 11.0 /11.3 it means even more blatantly that gaijin is lying about the possibility of the nerfed one at 11.7 and just used copy and paste
Why the obsession with the 30 super though? not to be crude but theres a plethora of actual cool as hell german MBTs missing before taking an amx30 and slamming it in there, premium ,event whatever.
(I think an event AMX30 super for germany would cause a massive backlash as is)
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Why not? its a german vehicle. Why do you think we ask for the KF41? Cause its so good?
Or why there was so much argument about the Chally 130 ? (That ones partialy just to annoy the brits more). Its patriotism. Its not a major german vehicle. But still a bastard child of ours, handled by our hands
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No its a french vehicle modified by the germans, thats like saying leopard 1 is British cause it mounts an L7 cannon. Where is the line thats drawn?
Can the Abrams M1 and leopard 2a4 be added to the british tree as we shared with them how to actually make the composites in their armour?
No. (these are silly examples to make a point BTW)
That though was a weird one wasnt it, cause the turret was german, that encompasses most of whats important.
Though realistically it would go to Britain as germany has their own versions of Leopards with 130 / 140mm cannons
Hence why the AMX30 super isnt in the Germant ree.
I do have a sneaking suspicion gaijin will add the 30S to germany just to make an extra buck though xD
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best comparison
but you named the differences yourself. Multiple important parts have been changed, its not just an MG stuck on top. Its game relevant changes. There are not the same vehicle anymore.
You are invited to show me a Leopard with 130mm cannon. the 1 140mm cannon is so unknown it hardly can be added the 2nd one is swiss.
Not to mention those not being modern variants , but realy old leopards.
KF51 has the same problem as chally 130, gajin could decide to make it Hungary /Italy exclusive.
To prevent that we arent allowed to make exceptions else we lose our vehicles.
As a result i believe it should be added to UK and germany. Like Other co developments.
The other similar case would be the Boxer MGS. German chassis, belgian turret.
Ended up in germany cause it was the project country and designer, following that example chally 130 would got to germany alone. But i would want to prevent that.
But, why? Why would that stop a new suggestion? That didnt stop the Pz III Ausf.N from becoming a Italian TT vehicle.
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just forum rules, that implemented vehicles cant be suggested again, no matter if its for another tree
isn’t German have their own version of EMBT too?
there is 3 versions of the EMBT
2018, 2020 and 2024.
Last one is unmanned with 140mm cannon.
You might confuse it with the leclerc evolution and the leopard 2 arc 3.0 projects
EMBT is french and german.
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But its more like the opposite is it not? like its a french tank, made in france, with only half german components.
Quite an interesting discussion tho
They changed the FCS and engine, and the magnification of the optics as far as im aware, its not like they fully rebuilt the tank.
But for game relevant changes suppose so there.
As for ingame TBH if the 30B2 had a stab it would be nearly on par with the 30S, bad maybe in mobility.
As for the 130mm its in testing as we all know.
even wiki has a shtty little mention of it, but going to rheimental shows the same thing
“In 2015 Rheinmetall disclosed that it was developing a new 130 mm (5.1 in) smoothbore gun for the Leopard 2 tank and its successor” , though rhiemental just says theyre developing hte 130mm
yet its not in the benelux tree?
Weird int it
As for the CR2 130mm sure thing man, its literally an amalgimation of rhiemental and BEAs stuff its not as if its just a 130mm gun slammed into a CR2.
Like the CR3 TD / CR3 when it eventually arrives shoudl be british alone.
But it wasnt just germany alone on that, all evidence ive seen points to it being BEA allowing them to use the CR2 hull in the first place.
Regardless its one of those ones, goes to both trees or neither.
Were at the stage now IMO if its going to be mixed, we go the full way, or we dont go at all.
This in the middle ground is silly, like a suggestion for a chieftain mk4 or mk2 cant mind, to go to isreal as a prem was passed, yet it never even made it to isreal.
yet the M1A2 and Leopard 2A4 trialed by britain cant go to britain.
Literally trialed.
This is what I mean man, it gets pretty dang silly, a CR2 130 could be a wicked Event tank that is for germany and britain and players could choose what one to get.
Rather than this random AF no consistency , as you say the boxer in germany on its tod, the KF41 and all this. then you ahve DF105 shared, the little AMX 13 dart slinger shared. etc etc etc.
They need to make their mind up
indian woman, moved to germany. never left germany afterwards. its pretty much exactly as i said.
AMX 30 Super has the french origins , nobody is declining that, but it is german afterwards a lot has been changed.
and the tracks, and cooler and additional armor and so on.
A lot has been changed over it. Again its where does one draw the line.
With the same argument you are calling the ukrainian T-84 oplot russian.
its wiki, its not up to date. Germany started the project for a leo 2ax with possible 130mm cannon now.
But thats years in the future and right now not relevant since we wont see it for years.
weird event vehicle rule.
fully agree, but difference. Chally 130, Designed and built/modified in germany, tested there as well. Never leaved germany. Built to show of the 130mm capability and function to GERMANY in the competition against the french Ascalon. This is officialy stated by rheinmetall.
Chally 3 is designed specialy for the UK, being built there, and gonna be in service. Huge difference.
they allowed it yes, but there werent part of it. They had no hands on it and makes BAE in that sense ignorable. But we still say it should go to UK as well, cause its a vehicle not inservice anywhere and its origin is in UK.
can always happen
officialy statement how to handle it in the future would be best yes
But just like we are waiting for the damn KLH 38MT answer
Suppose but its whole purpose was to go back to france, not remain where it did.
Additional armour? where :o
Genuinely for as much as ive read about the 30 super id like to know more on it as I dont know specifically all that has changed, like I said.
Suppose thats the same as folks that call a T90A /M a T72 xD
Nah I get your point man, im just discussing it as its quite an interesting vehicle, reckon if it was TT in the french tree it would already ahve been moved over to Germany.
Actually the wiki I think is moderately up to date, as it says they only disclosed in 2015 that they were developing the cannon, then ofc what 4/5 years ago that test bed CR2 showed up.
But yeah agreed its not likely to show up on the 2AX (is that mad leopard Leclerc combo still on the cards?)
Shambolic!! move it!! to them both.
Nah I get that TBH
As well as that its mostly BEA and such working on it rather than as you stated the 130 was basically a CR2 hull with rheimental going crazy with it.
(looks cool af)
Yeah dug a bit more into it and cant argue the point at all.
Yeah I realised that the bit more I went into it.
I mean they looked over 2 Chieftain Mk2s then it got binned.
100 percent man its such a joke how they are doing it RN
we have reasurance from credible source 38MT has a 1000km range sorta answer is coming xD
but france declined it, they literaly said they dont want it.
With the same argument why should it be in france when they clearly didnt want it?
is named in the wiki
“Additional turret armour is also available per buyer request.” if that one is not implemented it, there we would have the case. Give germany the better armored version
EMBT still is a thing, but they only are tech demonstrators realy, nevery realy supposed for actual service
either way, they are both TH products unless it was put into service in which case SA would have primary claim. currently. Germany does
Yeah fair point xD remove it from the game no one wanted it.
Seems a bit bogus there though doesn’t it, if they should be added equally not one better than the other.
The other aspect is balancing it, as remember germany is a far larger player base so has more worse players statistically speaking. so it may affect how the 30S is Br’d
why not buff its armour on the french and then make them both equal?
Aye I suppose so, the Euro MBt would be cool though
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
tell that the 2s38, vidar , pzh2k and so on. As long as it makes money gajin doesnt mind
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
Answered above
definitly and should be added to both france and germany.
Honestly its not germanys fault we have such a big ground industry, we shouldnt be punished for it.
In the meantime lookat air we are dead in the water
Germany can have this one, and France can have the other stabilized upgraded AMX-30s that are out there, maybe even the other 32s. The title of ‘pErFecTeD by GerMaNy’ is worthy of an actual curb stomping, however
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