AMX-30 S DCA should be lowered from 8.7 to 8.0 (Ground RB)

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The AMX-30 S DCA was placed at 8.7 because of its 30mm APDS belt, which gave it exceptional anti-tank capability and compensated for its many shortcomings. That APDS belt was removed a long time ago. The vehicle’s BR has never been revisited since.

Without APDS, the AMX-30 S DCA is now inferior to the Gepard (Germany, BR 8.3) in literally every category, yet it sits 0.4 BR higher:

  • Stabilizer: Gepard has a full two-plane stabilizer. AMX-30 S DCA has none. You must stop completely and wait for the gun to settle before firing – unacceptable for an SPAA.
  • Radar: Gepard has independent search and tracking radars, both reliable. AMX-30 S DCA has only a combined search/tracking unit (no separate tracking radar), no IFF, loses lock constantly, and cannot track targets behind the turret (limited to +/-100 degrees azimuth). It is widely considered one of the worst radar sets at its tier.
  • Ground belts: Gepard has its 35mm APHE (68mm pen, high explosive filler) and 35mm APDS (~127mm pen). AMX-30 S DCA lost its APDS entirely; the best remaining belt has only ~53mm pen – lower pen AND lower explosive mass than Gepard’s APHE, making it worse in both penetration and post-pen damage against any target.
  • Survivability: AMX-30 S DCA has exposed ammo in the turret cheeks and a 40-65 second reload. Gepard has a better-armored turret profile and standard reload.
  • Muzzle velocity: lower on the AMX, making AA work harder despite the worse radar.

Summary: no stabilizer, no APDS, no independent tracking radar, lower muzzle velocity, worse survivability, longer reload – and yet it sits at 8.7 while the Gepard sits at 8.3.

If a vehicle is comprehensively inferior to another vehicle, it cannot be placed at a higher BR. Even 8.3 (equal to Gepard) would be hard to justify given the gap. 8.0 is where it belongs.

Proposed change: AMX-30 S DCA 8.7 → 8.0 (RB)

This is not a buff request. The vehicle was nerfed and its BR was simply forgotten. Please bring it in line.

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Don´t think so

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Probably to add that the Gepard 1 could have its battle rating increased, the XM246 has similar performance plus the armor/damage model, on contrary the Gepard 1 has mobility instead. But I personally don’t see the AMX-30 S DCA going lower than battle rating 8.3 to be realistic.

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Agree,

You can compare it to the PGZ88 and PGZ09 for China (for the armor I only compare the hull)

PGZ88 => 2 plane Stabilizer + 83 mm pen (no explosive filler) + ok armor = 7.7

PGZ09 => 2 plane Stabilizer + 72 mm pen to 127 mm (no explosive filler for the last) + no armor = 9.0

A good equivalent is th XM246 for US:

XM246 => PGZ88 => 2 plane Stabilizer + 68 mm pen (explosive filler) + good armor = 8.7

You already made the difference between the gepard.

I think the AMX is near PGZ88 and not good as a XM246 in performance and shoud be at least 8.3 with all others SPAA getting up in BR (but its an other discussion)

Fully agree

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Gaijin has already missed two BR revisions since removing APDS from the AMX-30DCA.
Judging by this attitude, they must really hold a grudge against the AMX-30DCA, and I suspect they’ll ignore it this time as well.
Cheers!

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Yeah, it looks like it’s been postponed again this time.
I guess in the game client inside the head of the Gaijin developer in charge of BR adjustments, the AMX-30DCA is still equipped with APDS and racking up a high K/D ratio.