so pantsir shouldn’t work either what are you trying to say in your cryptic unknown language, what is stopping the slamraam from doing its job? The fact its launched from a ground based system changes literally nothing.
Yeah, I think the MIM-72 is an AIM-9D with 2 of its maneuvering fins replaced with fixed fins to reduce drag. C variant got an all-aspect seeker and a new war head. E got a smokeless motor and G got a stinger seeker with IRCCM.
Also the performance is going to be reduced on the ground launched missile vs the air launched, as it doesn’t inherit the velocity of the launching aircraft.
Wouldn’t this be somewhat comparable? For by going as fast as it is, it’s inheriting more lateral G’s at the start through the velocity it’s already experiencing while trying to turn to chase and accelerate as it does? They both accelerate off launch and are both experiencing g’s in different ways because of this. Albeit the ground launch missile is obviously experiencing more inertial(I think) g’s to get up to speed.
Genuinely asking.
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And US
I was thinking more in terms of range and max speed when I was talking about the air vs ground launch performance (and I should have said I assume the performance will be reduced), the 1.5 G limit reduction I would assume is the side effect of reducing the control fins for 4 to 2, possibly it also burns much of its flight time just getting up to speed where it can maneuver properly. I don’t know enough to speak about missile performance and the factors that effect it beyond that.
I was speculating based on my basic knowledge and should have clearly stated that, sorry if I caused confusion.
No confusion I was just trying to learn as well, maybe someone else will chime in
Thats what you did not understand. And unlike the pantsir the AMRAAM does not have guns for close range.
Neither does the FlaRakRad or the ItO 90M, and the humvee-like-vehicle-with-missiles-only is already a form of SPAA that exists in game (Type 93).
Yes but they are SACLOS but AMRAAM is radar guided.
And the Type 93 is just sad so it does not count. Its also not a top tier SPAA.
ARH missiles have internal radars, hence their “active” radar head. It is not an issue.
It is an example of a type of SPAA that is allowable in game, and the Type 93 is actually not that bad anymore.
i’d be down for Humvee AIM-120s that got between 12-80km range depending which version they slap on
You have completely missed the point. It would not work short range as it is radar guided. ARH would be useless close range as it has to be guided for a bit before internal radar turns on. Further, because it cant be manually controlled it would have poor performance close range.
No, no. The only time this is accurate is when you fire at targets more than 16km away. In that case the launch platform would guide the missile until the missile gets close enough to go active on it’s own. However, this is not what we’re discussing.
When firing at targets within 16km, the missile will go active the instant it leaves the rail. So within those parameters, AMRAAM SPAA don’t need their own radar. Unless Gaijin gives these vehicles radar trailers, this is the only situation that is relevant.
Not strictly true. Have you seen how the AMRAAM handles on the Dev server? It has excellent maneuverability the moment it leaves the rail, on par with many IR missiles. This is not a sluggish missile like AIM-54 Phoenix.
Besides, even if your statement was true (it’s not)… then so what? It’s still a good SPAA that can reach out and touch targets well outside the current maximum range of NATO AA like Roland.
This is the most promising SPAA option for many nations, that could finally bring them up to par with USSR.
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It doesn’t “need” to be guided in, it has radar built in, it can be radar guided to increase its range from further than 20km out which is the main argument, and hey since you want it to have its 60-80km range lets counter the argument, just add a trailer like they added to many of these hmvees, strykers etc, etc, ez pz fixed. We already have a trailered vehicle in the game so boom.
Its just the classic Russain main mentality, something good coming for another nation (USA, Sweden, Germany, France, Italy maybe Isreal/Japan)? Nah cant have that.
It has to be radar locked to fire. So you need a radar. Also how would it find planes without a radar.
Its sight would have to keep up with low flying planes. Not even mentioning multi pathing which would make low flying targets invincible.
USA mains do the exact same thing. Further, I dont want the AMRAAM but I dont deny that USA needs a new SPAA. The AMRAAM is not the solution.
It has a radar inside the missile, and since on a plane it has to be communicated with there is no reason to suggest that there wasn’t an in-vehicle method of communicating with the missiles. You’re splitting hairs.
Not neccesarily. Like I said in my previous comment, AIM120 can be fired in “boresight” mode.
AFAIK the ground launched AMRAAM is identical to the airborne one, so this mode should be available to the SPAA. Hence, no radar needed.
Just like the LAV-AD player does - with Mk1 Eyeball. Obviously this isn’t as good as search radar, but still not a valid reason for why we can’t have it.
To make myself clear, I think it would be preferable to add AMRAAM SPAA with the radar trailer. I’m just saying that, if Gaijin refuses to do so, the radar-less option would also be acceptable.
What is your suggestion?
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