Thats what you did not understand. And unlike the pantsir the AMRAAM does not have guns for close range.
Neither does the FlaRakRad or the ItO 90M, and the humvee-like-vehicle-with-missiles-only is already a form of SPAA that exists in game (Type 93).
Yes but they are SACLOS but AMRAAM is radar guided.
And the Type 93 is just sad so it does not count. Its also not a top tier SPAA.
ARH missiles have internal radars, hence their “active” radar head. It is not an issue.
It is an example of a type of SPAA that is allowable in game, and the Type 93 is actually not that bad anymore.
i’d be down for Humvee AIM-120s that got between 12-80km range depending which version they slap on
You have completely missed the point. It would not work short range as it is radar guided. ARH would be useless close range as it has to be guided for a bit before internal radar turns on. Further, because it cant be manually controlled it would have poor performance close range.
No, no. The only time this is accurate is when you fire at targets more than 16km away. In that case the launch platform would guide the missile until the missile gets close enough to go active on it’s own. However, this is not what we’re discussing.
When firing at targets within 16km, the missile will go active the instant it leaves the rail. So within those parameters, AMRAAM SPAA don’t need their own radar. Unless Gaijin gives these vehicles radar trailers, this is the only situation that is relevant.
Not strictly true. Have you seen how the AMRAAM handles on the Dev server? It has excellent maneuverability the moment it leaves the rail, on par with many IR missiles. This is not a sluggish missile like AIM-54 Phoenix.
Besides, even if your statement was true (it’s not)… then so what? It’s still a good SPAA that can reach out and touch targets well outside the current maximum range of NATO AA like Roland.
This is the most promising SPAA option for many nations, that could finally bring them up to par with USSR.
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It doesn’t “need” to be guided in, it has radar built in, it can be radar guided to increase its range from further than 20km out which is the main argument, and hey since you want it to have its 60-80km range lets counter the argument, just add a trailer like they added to many of these hmvees, strykers etc, etc, ez pz fixed. We already have a trailered vehicle in the game so boom.
Its just the classic Russain main mentality, something good coming for another nation (USA, Sweden, Germany, France, Italy maybe Isreal/Japan)? Nah cant have that.
It has to be radar locked to fire. So you need a radar. Also how would it find planes without a radar.
Its sight would have to keep up with low flying planes. Not even mentioning multi pathing which would make low flying targets invincible.
USA mains do the exact same thing. Further, I dont want the AMRAAM but I dont deny that USA needs a new SPAA. The AMRAAM is not the solution.
It has a radar inside the missile, and since on a plane it has to be communicated with there is no reason to suggest that there wasn’t an in-vehicle method of communicating with the missiles. You’re splitting hairs.
Not neccesarily. Like I said in my previous comment, AIM120 can be fired in “boresight” mode.
AFAIK the ground launched AMRAAM is identical to the airborne one, so this mode should be available to the SPAA. Hence, no radar needed.
Just like the LAV-AD player does - with Mk1 Eyeball. Obviously this isn’t as good as search radar, but still not a valid reason for why we can’t have it.
To make myself clear, I think it would be preferable to add AMRAAM SPAA with the radar trailer. I’m just saying that, if Gaijin refuses to do so, the radar-less option would also be acceptable.
What is your suggestion?
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I cant even understand what your saying, at least Apollo makes sense. As for Apollo can we have a source on the ‘boresight’ mode?
How is the AMRAAM going to be able to see aircraft 12+ km away?
I still think that the MML even with the AIM-9X would be more suitable. As for the range the Air Force says over 10 miles and the Navy says its classified so I cant share more.
The missile has an active radar seeker built into it. That’s how.
You and Speclist both make no sense to me anymore. Can we got more people like Apollo who add something to the argument? I understand how ARH works. You still need to lock without it unless Apollo’s ‘boresight’ is real and im mistaken.
Ok just like how for example, the MIM-72E has an IR seeker that can be thrown off by flares because it detects the first thing it sees (dont get lost here), the AIM-120 would act the same, but with a radar target. You fire it in the direction it sees a target it hits or misses. Like talking to a 5 year old at this point
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why not another type 93
Yeah but get this IR and radar are different! I know its hard to understand but they are. Which means they don’t work the exact same way! Post a declassified source about bore sight and I will be convinced.