not if it keeps it’s full stabilizer, there’s not an 8.0 tank with stabilizer, most of them are at 8.3 and just the Centurions have stabilizers at lower BRs.
It has the M621 cannon, so short 20mm (20x102) or the same belts as the M163. Probably closer to 6.0/6.3 imo
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is there any british SPAA that could be added to 7.3? they’re lacking a good one.
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Vickers Valkyr H.20 would be 7.7, potentially 7.3 but it’s all round better than the M163 so that’s a little unlikely.
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its a 20mm and shouldnt get APDS. Imagine the XM800T on stock belts but a lot slower for its self defence (none lmao). wont be much better as an AA than the M163
there’s a twin 20mm minivan with search and track radar, probably be 7.3/7.7
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It has a Radar so it’ll probably sit at 7.0 upwards, now for a SPAA at 6.0/6.3 Britain could get something like the Alvis Scarab with the 20mm, it’s not really a spaa but could work well as a stopgap since the gun has good ballistics and elevation angles
the S530 turret system doesnt have a radar
Not debating the decision to remove the APDS. It’s the BR of 8.3 I have a problem with.
Falcon used to be 8.0 and was moved up to 8.3 because of APDS.
Removing APDS and giving it a weak radar and leaving it at 8.3 is a NET LOSS for the Falcon.
Marksman at 8.3 has 35mm guns (vs 30mm for Falcon), STAB, laser rangefinder AND APDS ammo. It’s API-T belts have better pen than the Falcon’s SAP-I belts. That’s more deserving of 8.3
As for stabilizers, it’s not just Centurions. The newer T-34 85 STP has STAB at 6.3, ZSU-37-2 has STAB at 7.7, and the Veak 40 has radar AND STAB AND 40mm guns with much better pen.
There is no reason for the Falcon to stay at 8.3. Should drop back to it’s introductory BR of 7.7 making it on par with the Veak 40.
not really, Chieftains appear at 8.7 and the Marksman is at 8.3, it should go to 8.7 due to the hull, ZA-35 should go to 9.0 due to the hull too, it’s the best 35mm carrier in the game with insane mobility.
one-plane stabilizer.
really really bad stabilizer.
it also has HORRIBLE acceleration, i can’t even describe it with words how bad it is accelerating.
good example but tbh Falcon is still better, it simply has the best of every thing: decent mobility, amazing traverse, fast cannons with decent pen and now it has radar. plus, the Falcon can somehow tank a certain caliber of cannons, VEAK can’t and it’s huge.
8.0, i don’t want it to be facing Me 262 A-1/U4 nor any other plane at the same BR, which are mostly props.
How can it have worse acceleration than the Falcon if it has better hp/ton ratio ? That ratio is uysed for acceleration.
How can the Falcon have the “best of everything” if the VEAK 40 has …
- better top speed
- better hp/ton
- better pen
- better radar
Your definition of “best of everything” is much different than mine.
while weighting almost twice than the Falcon, and has a horrible suspension.
Falcon has better traverse, better firerate, faster bullets and can actually tank shots from small calibers like 12.7/20mm (without APDS).
Weight is taken into account by the ratio.
I have both and the Falcon does not survive much that is greater than .50 cal.
Your “best of everything” claim seems like it was taken from the description on the WIKI - which, after the loss of APDS should probably be revised.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
so does ZSU-37 which can get killed by a 7.62mm if u shoot to the ammo? i don’t understand ur point here.
i sadly don’t have the Falcon nor i’m logged rn in WT so yeah i need to check the Wiki.
i disagree about the opinion that the Falcon is worse than ZSU-37-2, it honestly looks like a much better tank, especially for the mobility, turret traverse and cannons. i have been using ZSU-37-2 for both AA and AT purposes, it’s a meh/decent tank: bad mobility, heavy-hitting cannons and paper armor as any other russian SPAA.
I didn’t say it was worse.
I was using the ZSU as a comparable.
IMO, the Falcon, ZSU and VEAK should all be ranked the same at 7.7
(get rid of the weak radar if that will sweeten the deal. It adds no real value)
falcon has no place at 7.7, it has too fast cannons compared to the ZSU and VEAK.
ZSU and VEAK use 37/40mm slow cannons with not even VT/TF, and the excuse of the radar for ZSU, VEAK and Falcon (included) is very vague since u’re using cannons, not missiles, u don’t need a “super powerful radar” to get a nice lock in an aircraft. i have achieved a few kills in the ZSU-37-2 by the simple fact of waiting till they’re close enough (1km) to open fire and give them no time to react to go defensive. same thing with Falcon and it’s new radar, u aren’t getting any kill over 1/2km (except u’re using 35mm cannons), and u should learn to lock the enemy plane and wait till they’re close enough to shoot at them and get that nice air kill.
Falcon, Veak and ZSU each have advantages over each other, and thus are very comparable.
7.7 for each of the three.
Agree to disagree - no point in continuing this particular discussion.
8.0, Falcon has a really good full stabilizer.
would be nice to have Britain needs something that is capable at 7.7-8.3br
This one would probably be lower. It’s basically a British AMX-10P with an extra gun.
So 6.7 to 7.0.