Similar upgrade done by Airbus on RTAF Alpha Jet A
I know what you mean
The collapse of the soviet union was really the worst thing happening to the german arms industry. So many project got cancelled. Not even mentioning the marder 2
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Any news on when the dev stream will happen?
Probably today ???
It’ll be 7.7 - 8.7 from the looks of it.
I expect 9Bs at most, ideally no AAM so we can have a lower BR until separate air & ground BRs are added in June.
Its literally the successor of the G.91 R3 in german service with a higher T/W than the MiG-15. Its most likely going to be 9.3 or maybe even 10.3 if it gets AIM9Ls
Note also the discrepancy between the German and English Texts:
German says “One of the first considerations was to also integrate the Sidewinder weapons system”
vs
English: “One of the main pillars of improved combat efficiency…”
So in German it sounds as if it was considered, the English sounds almost as if it has been implemented, while not actually confirming it was.
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It has 2700kgf of thrust, weighing in at 5000kg.
That’s a TWR of 0.54 without bombs.
Minimum fuel, which is 30% of maximum fuel, only drops the mass to ~4000kg, which is still a TWR of 0.675… without missiles or bombs.
Mig-15 TWR is 0.56 full fuel, 0.67 minimum.
Alpha Jet is also slower in top speed.
Alpha Jet is slow.
It’s not getting 9Ls, it doesn’t even have the flares of later Alpha Jets.
A-4E will still be better CAS.
A-4E has a TWR of 0.67 minimum fuel clean BTW; and access to guided weapons and flares. It’s 8.7
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The big advantage is the ccip for bombs which makes it great in grb. Adding the variant without flares would be stupid
It very much does have countermeasures
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the french one don’t have countermesure
Should have specified that I was talking about the german variant, sorry
no problem
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SAAB-105G has CCIP with 4x 1000 pounders at 8.3.
Germany already has 9.7 CAS. They need Alpha Jet A, not the later ones. They lack CAS at 8.3/8.7.
@Serkay64
First Alpha Jets didn’t have flares. The trailer also features it without flares…
We didnt see the underside of the german Alphajet. Also the CAS germany has at 9.3-9.7 with the MiG-23BN are flareless. At 8.3 and 8.7 they are way better off with the F-84F which is very nice with 4 seperate drops for 2x2000lb plus 2x1000lb bombs
Hunter F58.
And no, F-84F is eh compared to A-4E, Saab-105, etc.
it would probably be a little too powerful for these Br with the full HUD. especially in simulator mode where he could do what he wants
Sure, the F-84F is meh compared to the A-4E but that because the A-4E doesnt belong at 8.7. The Saab-105 is kinda better and kinda worse. Its more maneuverable but also slower. It has CCIP but also a lower bombload and also it has no built-in guns, meaning you have to take the giant gunpods if you want anything to defend yourself with, which takes up one of the pylons for your bombs. And the Hunter F-58 lacks CCIP and is quite a brick. The only pylons you can take real armament on are the ones all the way at the end of the wings. You either take 2 bombs, 2 Sidewinders or two Mavericks.