Maybe, but then you have something like the Harrier Gr1 with no CMs at teh same BR as Harriers with 240 CMs
Gaijin does have a track record of not balancing out older vehicles, this is one of them. We have Kurnass 2k at same br with netz using the same loadout, Kfir C.7 same br as MiG-21 2k with hmd python 3s, etc.
The burner needs adjusting for sure but id vote for no more FM nerfs ever again as every single time they nerf= major malfunction
Perhaps… But its current state isnt fair and do we apply the same logic to FM buffs too?
Gaijin just needs to fix their code
handholding for terrible pilots
Honestly if sonething works in war thunder just leave it be.
Turm got new stab- now it shoots ghost shells
Pretty sure the pLl12 was advertised as a buff?
J10 deffinitly was and il take wing rip all day over what we have now
they overperform in sustained turn rate and energy retention and are so cold even in full afterburn that sidewinders struggle to keep lock.
they need a FM overhaul and IR signature fix and even then they ought to be a fair bit higher
Over perform is better than broken
broken= one vehicle suffers
overperfoming and OP = everyone else suffers
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Trouble is every nerf just relegates another vic to the pile of dust.
I missed playing all the jets that used to be good. F104 when it turned. Mirage 2k, kfir without its wobbly ass aim
Swift when its missikes worked and loads more were before my time.
But i have witnessed the death of enough vics to know its a RIP if they mess with the f5s FM
I think the c one at least is 100% fine where it’s at. Being limited to such a bad missile at that rating means even someone unaware of you might accidentally move out of the way
The most controversial one is probably the a one with the high g missiles at 10.7, maybe it just deserves to be 11.0 and be a little subpar there.
The others i don’t think are that problematic being limited by the low missile quantity. People just have to be aware of them and not engage with them for long. Not saying that they aren’t great for their rating
They NEED to fix the fantasy damage immunity that happens sometimes though. I still have a clip saved of a f5c tanking 4 aim9b in quick succession from a friend of mine
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F-5s are excessively miserable to play, in my opinion. They have terrible acceleration, lacking speed, and don’t retain energy as well as people say it does. I don’t know wherever you got the “ridiculously fast” or “effortlessly dodge 30G missiles” from, because both of those are false. Even on later variants, just by turning every once in a while, you’re going to be constantly stuck at 800 km/h TAS unless you overheat your engine on burner. Even at your fastest, you will barely pass 1.0 Mach on the deck. The maneuverability is correspondingly mediocre as you are constantly stuck in a low-energy state. It feels like playing a MiG-21F-13 or J-7II, only with better energy retention.
Only for F-5As and at lower speeds. NF-5A and F-5Es regain speed quite quick above 600kmh IAS
No jet at its entire br bracket other than the F-16A retains energy as well as it does. Most planes do not hold 500-700kmh IAS with such a tight turning circle. Delta wings have better AoA and stall fighting power but no sustained energy.
Not a big issue since your plane is made to dogfight people and making them drop speed, rather than to intercept other players.
Don’t stall fight migs. Keep up your speed and your engine and your airframe will keep you flying, while other planes would be on a timer.
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people who defend this aircraft are the same ones who sealclub with it in Air AB and Air RB
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On average they aren’t sitting at a low BR.
There are a few at weird BRs:
F-5T SCU, F-5E FCU, NF-5A, and F-5AG are the only ones arguably too low [and I only argue the NF-5A].
Out of 12 F-5 aircraft, which is a minimum of 8 aircraft that are properly BR’d.
F-5s are good dogfighters, but they trade being fast for that dogfight performance.
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Are you seriously suggesting that the first generation F5s go up to 11.0??? Im not the best player myself but it sounds like a skill issue my friend
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as many things as they are, they are not this
except atleast what your talking about the F5E FCU for example is very balanced at its br as anyone with radar missile can beat it for example F4E and MIG-23 both can radar missile at like 4 miles and its dead very easy to kill the only F5 i would say is OP is the french premium NF5A thats at 10.7 with F5E performance but the vast majority of planes can just run away to a team mate
Tbf, that only applies to planes that actually have radar-guided weapons. While the F-4E and MiG-23 are both very capable, there are still plenty of aircraft that can’t really do anything against the F-5. Just look at the German F-104 at 11.0 BR—it’s definitely not the only one. I’m not trying to use a 0.3 BR difference as the main point; I just wanted to give an example of how cursed certain BRs can be for some aircraft.
wasn’t our F-15A a post-MSIP aircraft?
It’s not inaccurate, there was a time period where F-2A did not have AAM-4 yet. I don’t know how that matched up with addition of JDAM and JDAM-ER but I’m perfectly happy with turning a blind eye to this and many others since it makes them much nicer to play.