yeah, kinda sad to see it go. what was even more sad was F-12 being canceled bc of vietnam
The F-12 would have been only good at intercepting bombers. The Navy already had better variants of the F-4 and the F-8 had served its use.
eh F-4 better for longer range, but issue is they couldnt bc of ROE. by the end though, they had F-14 which was definitely better
F-12 couldve been very good if it got upgraded, it could destroy targets at like 150m off ground from very high alt in prototype phase
Slatted Phantom would easily keep pace with the F-8
Yet what percent of kills it acquired were by missiles? Ppl don’t like to look at that statistic when they talk about “the last gunfighter” :)
that’s not AT ALL what happened in vietnam… the reason USA didn’t completely stomp from day 1 was because they weren’t allowed to engage without visually identifying the target because of political ramifications if they shot down friendly planes. This meant BVR was NOT POSSIBLE as a rule. It had nothing to do with tactics being bad/good in either direction. If the USA was allowed to use BVR you would have seen a very different outcome.
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I don’t know I haven’t seen a source for that.
"Although the F-8 relied on its main armament, a standard US Navy quartet of 20mm guns, its guns were involved in only three of its 19 MiG kills, with the majority being scored by AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles. The guns did not react well to the F-8 pilots’ high-speed, high-g combat maneuvering. Jammed ammunition feeds were a frustratingly common cause of missed MiG kill opportunities throughout the war. "
https://www.ospreypublishing.com/ca/osprey-blog/2023/dogfight-7-f-8-crusader-vietnam-1963-73/
The F-8 was no more a gunfighter in real life than the F-4 was.
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The 9C was barely ever mounted.The 9D was the main missile used.
The 7C did not score any kills in Vietnam.
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u right the 77% was in testing at NAS Miramar conducted by the marines in 1964
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I feel as if the guns are over performing as well, one tap can utterly dismantle any jet
Missiles that require you to maneuver behind the enemy to be used.
A whole lot of blue-on-blue. Also no missile in service was “BVR” capable lol.
is bro struggling to fight against the half-toptier I-15WR?
Nothing he said was incorrect. NF-5A is also one of the best premium jets if not the best premium jet in the game currently.
all or most f5s need an emergency nerf
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Even if their missiles might be bad, they can literally outmaneuver everything, have an extremely small profile, and are ridiculously fast. No matter what plane you are flying, it is just zero fun to fight an F-5 because they can effortlessly dodge 30G missiles or just flare them off like it’s nothing, even all-aspect ones like AIM-9Ls.
Why are these aircraft so low when BR balance is supposed to matter? You honestly don’t need any skill to get a ton of kills with this plane, and as soon as someone who actually knows what they’re doing plays the F-5… well, yeah.
Personally, I feel like most of them should be moved up significantly higher, but whatever—I’m really just here to vent and get this off my chest. Anyone else agree with me on this?
the slowest if you don’t count subsonic attackers
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All-aspect & irccm are diffrent things
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They need:
- Realistic FMs. They are overperforming by quite a bit, around 3°/s too much STR currently for example
- Heat Signature fixes. They are ice cold aircraft (on AB they are colder than an F-117) which means they flare everything stupidly easy
- Damage model improvements, not necessarily an F-5 issue, but their airframes are naturally very tanky with the current rubbish damage models.
They also need to finally decide whether they will continue to cherry pick CM addition on aircraft or make them accurate (I/e remove flares from the F-5C)
After that. I would say its a compression issue rahter than inherrently a BR issue. Though I wouldnt say no to them all getting a 0.3 BR increase in the short-term
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I think this one is pretty obvious, since some jets would have to be lowered to unreasonable BRs if they didn’t have countermeasures. Take the F-15A, it does not have any countermeasures until MSIP/MSIP 2 programme, so the one in game is basically ahistorical. But if it didn’t have countermeasures, it can’t stay at 12.7.
It’s not restricted to countermeasures either, Gaijin has been on record about keeping or adding certain features to vehicles to match the BR they want a vehicle to be in (ex: F-2A ADTW restricted to 7Ms to keep it 13.0).