All F-4 Phantoms overperform and need to be nerfed to a realistic performance standard (Slatted and un-slatted)

The F-4 Phantom series where not known for their maneuverability, garnering nicknames like the flying anvil and lead sled. Yet in game even the Unslotted Phantoms turn fairly well.

The British Fg.1 when loaded up to match the weight in the British Harrier tactics manual (The Phantoms turn rate chart was added for training crossovers) Will sustain over 15 degrees a second in turn and have an ITR of 18 degrees a second at 400 knots.


It should be considerably less. With 12 sustained and 15 as instantaneous.

Currently the Non-slatted Phantoms in game turn better than the Slatted ones did IRL.


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make a bug report then

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Currently working on one. I have one for the F-5 as well.

I just do not have a slatted Phantom so I need someone for testing, but if the non-slatted one turns better than the IRL slatted one I assume it overperforms regardless.

Just an FYI, but others have reported the F-5 before. From what I remember, Gaijin refused the NATOPS report and instead trusted Soviet documents on the F-5.

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That’s hilarious but the report I saw just had no reply. Why trust some random Russian report over the actual manuals of a plane that wasn’t even Russian.

My report F-5E STR overperforming (effects all F-5) // Gaijin.net // Issues

An older report F-5E performance // Gaijin.net // Issues

Apparently the Soviet report states they have about equal speed bleed.

Yeah, I’m going of of what remember MiG-23M saying a while back.

Also I found a rejected report for the F-5A:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/GUQJsZHuSJIe

This is the one that was rejected for the F-5E and mentioned USSR docs:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hIzLAh45I9sD

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That seems oddly right, I know nothing about the F-4s irl really, but I find them to be a much better dogfighter than the F-14 which is… odd to say the least

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I have both f4f´s and both ej´s…
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Hey hey. How confident are you in testing sustained and ITR in game using local host?

The USSR thing is not correct lol.

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didnt test a thing with the local host… and I dont know what you mean with local host…

Localhost:8111

If you are playing in test flight and open that in a browser it will display the full in game stats of the vehicle

ahh the open map in browser thing

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Slatted ones turn better but only initially, also they are indeed bricks when carrying a full bomb load, most people just use napalm now though

how many speed stats do you need…
and at which speeds shall I test??

We just need to test the sustained G load at 400 knots near sea level in the configuration found in the Turn rate charts.

oh yea hey matrix the f100D can win a guns-only dogfight against an f5 (mostly due to G limits forcing the f5 to not pull to hard to avoid black outs though)

which f4?

E specifically is listen in the manual.

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