All anti-tank shells on every anti-air should be removed, or the falcon/amx DCA should keep their apds

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Yes vehicules like the falcon and amx 30dca are extremly unfun to play against

But this also aplies to EVERY auto-canon when used has an anti-tank gun

Another example of gaijin have EXTREME major nation bias and just trying to have every player switch to the allready existing big 3

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I’m fine with removing them only on the AMX-30/Falcon only if they get an appropriate BR reduction to 7.7/8.0.

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I agree

#removeAPfromSPAA

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Snail has been trying to force people to not use SPAAG as Ersatz TDs for over a decade, but as they refuse to address why people use their SPAAGs like this (hint: the rounds are only a small part of it), due to all those fixes not being anywhere remotely “easy,” they instead proceed to just keep smacking SPAAG hoping they will go away eventually.

  1. Air kill rewards are too low, forcing them to kill tanks to progress through modules at any decent pace.

  2. Due to CAS being a CoD-styled killstreak powerup, oftentimes there just aren’t a ton of planes to go kill.

  3. Gun SPAAG need to be pretty close to actually secure kills on planes - merely scaring them off or making them miss their drops doesn’t reward anything. This means they need to actually move outside their own spawns to get into good positions to surprise CAS from. However, average players have proven that if their SPAAG is incapable of engaging tanks reliably, they WILL NOT MOVE beyond the confines of their own spawn most times. By removing their anti-tank belts, you make them LESS effective at shooting down planes also, due to this change in player behavior. It sounds paradoxical, but they really NEED to be effective at killing the majority of tanks they can run into due to how War Thunder gameplay has always worked.

  4. Gun SPAAG before radar tier have not the slightest bit of help aiming their guns at CAS, when the CAS gains far more advantage from Mouse Aim and 3rd Person Camera than the SPAAG do. Planes can safely ID potential threat silhouettes from well beyond the SPAAG effective ranges. SPAAG often had numerical advantages that they don’t get ingame (same issue as bombers lacking formations in Air RB). And, many non-radar SPAAG had special sights or tracking devices that the game could represent as a short range lead indicator to have better continuity with the radar ones.

  5. Finally, their SP costs are “throwaway level low” which encourages them to be used as last-resort options when games are already lost.

Many SPAAG are seemingly so effective at killing tanks for a bunch of other reasons besides simply having rounds to pen decent amounts of armor.

  • Server overload from spamming thousands of bullets at someone with 35mm Oerlikons.
  • Rounds ignoring armor after 4 consecutive bounces due to preventative server features that try to prevent overloading issues.
  • Globally overperforming APHE postpen in general for all guns.
  • The fact that despite years after volumetric mechanics arrived, we still don’t have fully-volumetric armor models on all tanks, which means there are always gaps/seams/microscopic armor holes to exploit.
  • Maps being sardine cans are what allow SPAAG to get close enough to shred tanks in the first place - if we had more actual variety here in this regard, the ability of SPAAG to do this stuff would be much more limited.

But no, instead of even attempting to address all of that, clearly it’s “better” to just keep gimping the AA…

Hence why I would rather see snail completely flip the script they’ve been using on SPAAG and embrace their anti-tank capabilities instead of vilify them for it. Undo the years of old stupid nerfs to their ammo belt compositions, ammo belt limitations, global postpen of APCR and APDS, formulaic nerfing of autocannon APDS, global formulaic nerfing of all APCR, and then intentionally place them at BRs where they are expected to shred tanks, while actually fixing all the above problems that SPAAG currently exploit to get kills they have no business being able to get.

And if people complain? They’re told to cry themselves to sleep and grow a set.

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Let ppl brrrrt with full apds and raise BRs. Would also fix G2A problems.