this thing was very good a year ago, now its basically an R60m, i am using the swedish version so i don’t know if this has any effect but people… its almost unplayable did they do a big nerf? same thing goes for AIM9M why? why russian missiles have to be so good while american ones have to be so bad…
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aim9l got the aim9h treatment. aim9h basically had irccm when it was first released then it got removed. same with the aim9l, although i still have times where the aim9l really wants a guy and will ignore flare dumps.
aim9m probably has to do with it having a different irccm than the others. It is supposed to be really good for side shots but it doesnt seem to be the case.
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it’s so annoying, this thing was an actual good missile now its impossible to get a kill with it
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AIM-9Ls aren’t as flare resistant as they used to be, but they are the most flare resistent of any missile that doesn’t have IRCCM. If people don’t flare it properly, and especially if they’re in a hot, afterburning jet like an F-14, AIM-9Ls will happily ignore their flares and swat them for you.
I’ve consistently caught people trying to flare it like any other non-IRCCM missile, thinking that just popping a flare will keep them safe, only for it to sail through their flares and right into their plane. You basically have to cut AB, flare and pull away to consistently dodge them rear aspect. They aren’t great in front aspect (Which you generally shouldn’t be doing anyways), and side aspect depends on how quickly your target reacts.
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fr norwegian f5a with aim9l is unplayable at its br, aim9l is useless
it eats flares like r60
this topic is still accurate after all this time lol
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its fine, 9L is as flarable as most others. It’s still an F-5 and very powerful because of that even without missiles
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not at its br
Yes, very much so, at its BR.
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delusional.
its at the same br as f5e even though its worse in every regard except missiles which are useless anyways.
f5e with 9l/pythons is 11.3 that isnt fair.
being worse than one other jet doesnt mean you won’t still have an easy time when you’re not facing that one said jet
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not at 11.0 you wont
F-5s are not difficult planes to do well in, even in uptiers
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except this is not only uptier but also overtier, it can play against 12.0.
Which it really does not struggle all that much in when flown by an aware pilot.
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the only f5 you flown is f5e, only 168 battles and it was before it was raised in br so you dont know.
Coming back to the topic at hand, the AIM-9L is the most flare resistent missile without IRCCM.
It requires a lot more input from the defending side than “dump one flare and ignore it”. Overall far from R60 level. The entire post can be summed up as “skill issue”.
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it not having irccm makes it exactly the same as r60, dumping flares is enough to fool it
you need unaware people to kill them with it making it essentially as efficient as aim9e
You either are willingly ignorant or somehow missed the R-60M getting numerous buffs across the last like 3 years.
The R-60M currently is quite a ways more flare resistant due to, ironically, it’s larger acquisition gate and preference to lock the plume of an aircraft rather than countermeasures now.
The 9L by comparison seldom locks the plume of an aircraft, rather preferring to lock the airframe itself, and due to it’s smaller seeker FOV, it looses track of aircraft extremely easy against aircraft that have dispensers that properly launch away from the aircraft instead of just dropping them to the rear like BOL pods.
Just give it a try with functionally any aircraft with good dispensers, EG the mirage F1, the SU-25, A-10 and so on, you don’t even need to maneuver in them to defeat a 9L, just a single burst and the missile dumpsters itself, its comically easy. Meanwhile the R-60M will bobble off and onto you unless you make a turn.
The only boons the 9L currently has over the R-60M right now is it’s range and warhead capacity, if I was given the choice I would choose the R-60M over the 9L in al situations currently bar if I am using a SARH heavy missile loadout, which I would defer to the 9L just for the added range.
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yet I know better than you, crazy
Definitely untrue. 9L is not hard to flare. The most flare resistant missiles that aren’t IRCCM are Python 3, PL-5B, etc