AIM7M's are awful

I don’t know what’s the deal with these missiles, you can’t chaff notch r24r’s, you can defeat r27s with a lot of plot armor, but it’s really easy to defeat aim7ms. They’re painfully slow, they’re easy to chaff away even with all aspect doppler, they wont track again after losing lock and they don’t even pull hard up close despite starting to steer off the rail. I get that the aim7f is very strong at 11.3 plus six of them (with very bad platforms using it which balances it out) but the aim7m is a carbon copy of it. It should be a usable missile, be it faster, or pulling harder, or else, or have datalink, or basically be a true aim7m instead of an aim7f with black fins.

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I don’t know what your problem is,

Mach 4 lol

You can’t chaff pulse-doppler

No, the AIM-7M does not have data-link capabilities

Missiles need speed to pull their best

Would you rather have a SkyShit?

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Mach 4 lol

only at very high altitudes. Below you are just a tad slower than them, you won’t out run them either, but the r27e’s are obnoxious. Magic radar missiles are much slower, and the super temps while bugged they still pull hard earlier. Tornados are unplayable unless you’re a rat.

No, the AIM-7M does not have data-link capabilities

Does datalink imply the missile would go on it’s own like r24s even after not locking again? I’m saying that the missile won’t retrack again after re locking the target. I’ve had my aim7e2s doing that on the f-4e, not on the f16.

Missiles need speed to pull their best

I remember dogfighting an annoying yak41 in a custom battle on my MiG19S and stalling it out 700m away from me below and to my left side, he just used hmd and the r27er missile made an arch barely above me to hit me. The AIM9D/G’s aren’t fast either and they will pull off the rail so crazily that you can get the same sort of results as with an r60.

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You can’t chaff pulse doppler

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explain this miss then

this doesn’t happen with r27s or r24s. AIM7M’s are 50 chance of miss even on the clearest solutions.

edit: They also missed on a tomcat flying straight forward at me, from a 20km frontal aspect at 7km of altitude. At least 1 out of every 5 sparrows I launch on perfect conditions with a solid lock can connect with the target.

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Datalink is for updating target location, in the event missile can’t find the target by itself. Inertial guidance is what guides towards expected location when radar contact is lost, also gives some time to try and regain lock, so missile might resume tracking. R24 doesn’t have datalink, only inertial guidance. R27 have both, Sparrows have neither.

As for Sparrow not hitting targets, I’ve found out its actually doable to physically dodge it, especially if launch speed isn’t good and rocket motor tries to claw its speed up, for which has only 5 seconds, then much weaker sustaining motor kicks in. Fighting gravity and maneuvering targets, both draining energy doesn’t help either.

Also 20km far, 7km high target is bit optimistic shot unless you were at similar altitude and with 1mach+ speed at launch. Any maneuvers he might do, will drain missile energy, something known as “cranking”. My personal record for 7F/7M hit was 30km, but that required all the checkboxes including J35XS (plane without RWR) and even then it was more like target colliding with missile hanging in the air, than missile hitting the plane.

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Only for the first few seconds, they they shoot away,

No shit sherlock they shouldn’t even be in the game.

Magics are the definition of shit

I never mentioned the super temp but ok

Eh I find the MFG quite good sometimes, can occasionally win dogfights if the other player is slightly less experienced/doesn’t know Tornado capabilities

That’s with pretty much everything except R-27

R-27E go brrrrrr, they do that a lot, with 30g pull

That’s true, I can’t say they don’t

the Fishcan just outmaneuvered it lmao, AIM-7M is not a DF missile, while it does pull off the rail it doesn’t reach full maneuverability yet

yeah sometimes missiles do that, once my SkyShit didn’t hit an F-16 4 km in front of me, he didn’t even maneuver or chaff

the Fishcan just outmaneuvered it lmao, AIM-7M is not a DF missile, while it does pull off the rail it doesn’t reach full maneuverability yet

he didn’t outmaneuver it, he was literally flying almost straight, that’s just a miss, especially being a MiG21 that will most likely drift on place. You have to be very fast and at a point where you can maneuver enough. MiG21 downxcells at this, it’s not like MiG29S that can literally dodge aim9l’s and r60s under lots of cirkongstances.

yeah sometimes missiles do that, once my SkyShit didn’t hit an F-16 4 km in front of me, he didn’t even maneuver or chaff

if skypooples are kackenscheissen then get the super temps lmao. Literally better aim7m’s.

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DID BRO CALL A SKYSHIT BETTER THAN A 7M AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is the funniest joke I’ve ever heard XD

hard to tell that from 2 pictures

idk I don’t have a J-7

oh, so I’m assuming you’ve used the R-27 and R-24 then?

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DID BRO CALL A SKYSHIT BETTER THAN A 7M AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is the funniest joke I’ve ever heard XD

what blud saying, im talking about the SUPERTEMP, it’s 30kg lighter and pulls harder, you’re not going to get a kill from 40km away unless it’s the last guy on a mig21 at 7km of altitude.

hard to tell that from 2 pictures

the missile should have proxied by that, it’s an effing sparrow that went 50m away from the target and didnt proxy, next up the lio guy literally has an aim9l missing by ten meters without popping a single flare.
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This is the session in case you want to see the replay, he didn’t dodge it, he just pulled into the furball after the sparrow missed him.

oh, so I’m assuming you’ve used the R-27 and R-24 then?

and I’m arguing with someone who talks about “tornado and skyflash” alltogether when the only skyflash he has is the one on f-4 fgr, which is a better aim7e2 @cjwagn2 cjwagn2

oh, so I’m assuming you’ve used the R-27 and R-24 then?

blud is a conspirer. 7+ KD on Mig29 and can’t see it. FR having overpowered stuff rots one’s brain.

check the effing replay my man, he wasn’t dodging anything 💀

Depends on what aircraft your using. True an Aim-7M is just a copy and paste of a 7F but when paired with a at least decent doppler radar Aim-7’s are very strong. That’s why the Aim-7D and C are horrible because they have been paired with horrible radars that were underdeveloped. But a radar like the F-16C or F-16A (ADF), even the tomcats radar; it can be insanely strong where you cannot dodge the missile. The strongest is during a head on since it is completely impossible to notch in time. There definitely is going to be a change to the 7M’s electrical design since that’s what changed the 7F from the 7M, when Fox 3’s get introduced to other countries they have to change radar behavior for many aircraft and have to change missile behavior.

Bruh, DF makes no difference, the AIM-7E-2 had a selector that allowed it to switch between two modes, range and dogfight. Gaijin was lazy with implementation and simply left it in dogfight mode.

The AIM-7E(DF) is nowhere as capable as the AIM-7F onwards both lacking a time gain for tracking targets as well as having worse range.

The 7F and M are superior than all except the 27ER. 7F and M pull off the rails immediately which gives an upper hand on the ER. Since the ER is an insanely fast missile it cannot pull at lower altitude which an Aim-7F(M) can since the larger canards give more maneuverability at higher and lower speeds. The 7’s out class the 27’s and 24’s by pretty much everything except speed.

upper hand on the ER? my man, the er can be used as dogfight missile, the large fins help it a lot. Besides, the ER is a true BVR missile, AIM7M is just a sparrow.

the f16 radar is very strong, but it isn’t unnotchable, in fact notching it will grant you a 100 percent survival rate to the sparrow. If the sparrow hits the ground you don’t get the kill. If the r27 hits the ground you get a crit because the missile is so ridiculously massive it has enough proxy and detonation to reach. Besides the fact that you need to notch very early to avoid the missile. R27ER’s are a free kill each. So are R24R’s.

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j7d appears to pull harder than other mig21’s from my experience. Dunno if its a weight reduction from better materials or what but man that thing can turn

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Aim-7Ms are “awful” in the same way ERs are.
They aren’t.

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yet another razerVon cope answer. ER’s don’t explode or lose track once the lock is lost. Hell, even AIM7E2 DF will retrack if you regain lock. I just can’t fathom how can you say that a simple sparrow with worse radar to seeker communication than prior variants is better than a missile that has longer range, higher G load, better tracking rate, better aspect guidance, better rocket motor, higher detonation radius and the ability to literally outperform the british SRAAM which is one of the smallest and most agile missiles in the game. Besides the fact that the aim7m sparrow takes a lot to reach it’s maximum speed subject to atmospherical conditions , while the r27er reaches it instantly.

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