it was a july patch afaik
It cannot be that the AAM-4 is significantly better at close range than all Aim 120s
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yes… it was the patch that I linked
look at the version numbers
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i wanted to point out that i got the patch flipped around, in august there was the guidance delay fix
You say that, but if you look through this thread (created a year before the missile was even added to the game):
They have some sources in there among the comments that do state some things about it’s maneuverability.
no thats just not true, in that thread there are no sources that would give us an idea of how amraams would pull off the rails or shortly after.
which is what we wouldve need to proove that the amraam was overperfoming or right now underperfoming, there are no numbers that would support the nerf that gaijin did, nor are there numbers that would support it pulling as hard as it does, we know the amraam can achieve a max overload of roughly 30/35 gs, anything other than that was arbitrary on gaijin’s part, which wouldnt be an issue if they actually came out with the math or the reasoning, right now we’re left with the least agile top tier missile by far and its absolutely terrible.
there isnt much to argue anymore we can try to find sources but we really shouldnt need to at this point, when there is a lack of information this large balance should take the forefront.
there are videos, but those arent accepted for bug reports
I think the first step is to fix these 4 reports:
AIM-120A & B - Max range against non-manoeuvring targets too low
AIM-120A & B - Performance against manoeuvring targets too poor
AMRAAM Beamwidth currently too large.
Its stupid that they havent yet
Also operating on a basis that C5 would at a bare minimum continue to match the base A/B performance in all regards unless a source states otherwise, so C5 would probably exceed the first 2 reports, but if its based upon a percentage upgrade over the A/B then buffing the A/B would in turn buff the C5
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It would be a start if they implemented that
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It’s from the Tornado F.3 manual so is either AIM-120B or AIM-120C-5. I believe it is likely written about AIM-120B as the AIM-120C-5 seems to be an afterthought for that section.
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quite literally there artificially nerfed there only 13.0 cause the aim54 cause people complained alot who dont know how to notch its like one chaff basically and dont fly in straight line the only buff theyve gotten is a slight seeker buff
still dont perform anywhere close to IRL while misslies like R27ER over perform seeker wise but ya know america is op or something
they should be given historical weapons load out
AIM-9M
and AIM-54 buff and be made 13.3
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Aim54s were so good tomcats had no reason to integrate aim120s. Yet in war thunder they’re worthless
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Would like to see amraams turn performance buffed again now, somewhere between how it used to be and currently.
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yep, they need to put the wing area back to 1.3 or up to 1.325, then maybe tweak the aoa.
They were improved from 15 G to 17 G; the timing was probably when the Iranian F-14 was introduced. I’m not aware of the AIM-54 seeker being improved.
It’s obvious why the F-14B sits at 13.0, since it’s significantly better than the F-14A. You don’t have to use the AIM-54 anyway — you can also use the AIM-7.
Unfortunately, the good times for the F-14 are over, and that’s something you just have to accept. I only played the F-14B, and that was a long time ago. Back then, the AIM-54s were quite strong if you knew how to use them properly
No matter what I do my 120s are always missing. Target at 5km facing me, they drop 1 chaff and my missile goes to narnia.
well if they contuined service they where likely to be fitted with AIM-120s due to weight as the AIM-120D models do basically same stuff
no duel plane
no reduced smoke motor for AIM-54C
no accurate radar
mind you a F14A ONE AIM-54 shot down three MIG-23s all in one shot
they would be the best 13.3 fighters with there accurate performance
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yeah thats a given but at the time? aim120b had very little to offer to f14ds